JO MF PAVEY!!!

only gave birth 10 months ago.

One of the toughest athletes anywhere in my opinion, man or woman (and that's not based on the initial statement in this post, just an observation from watching her run over the years)

Flawed logic: The 800m winner has probably posted a very fast time this, while none of the women have been nowhere near IK's WR of 30:13 or winning time of 30:23 in recent years.

For the record, PR has the CC record of 30:02 from Munich/Munchen in 2002.

Only American distance runners (men and women) are to some

extent able to compete with the Africans. It makes you wonder, although personally it the effects of "less is more"

that was a problem in the US until the tide changes some years ago.

What rubbish! JP and Paula are good friends

Author: deenouk

Subject: RE: JO MF PAVEY!!!

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Note that Jo Pavey doesn't reference Paula Radcliffe as the greatest ever... me-thinks she knows something...

Remember Pavey ran 30:53 at the Olympics 2 years ago and seems to be running better now than she was then. This was not a race about running quick times. However, you are right the overall standard was pretty poor.

Author: yyy

Subject: RE: JO MF PAVEY!!!

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I don't want to be negative, but this shows the decline of European distance running. Ingrid Kristiansen ran 2min -two minutes faster in 1986.

yyy wrote:

Flawed logic: The 800m winner has probably posted a very fast time this, while none of the women have been nowhere near IK's WR of 30:13 or winning time of 30:23 in recent years.

For the record, PR has the CC record of 30:02 from Munich/Munchen in 2002.

Only American distance runners (men and women) are to some

extent able to compete with the Africans. It makes you wonder, although personally it the effects of "less is more"

that was a problem in the US until the tide changes some years ago.

that's one athlete you're talking about, and she won that race by over 30 seconds. You don't get a Paula Radcliffe or Ingrid Kristiansen appearing every other year, they were both exceptional (certainly in European terms).

I also think you may be getting a little carried away with your "only Americans.." statement too. Ignoring the British male who's pretty much dominated all global distance events on the tracks for the last 3 or 4 years, we also had 2 women at the 2012 Olympics who were beaten only by East Africans (and with a cluster of Americans behind) in both the 10,000m and 5,000m. And I'm not trying to argue that we're stronger at distance running than you are, I'm well aware that's not the case. Just that one statement of yours seemed a little short sighted

Well, I agree that the picture is less clear

than that I suggested in my previous post.

btw, I am European:)

There's little point in comparing PR's win with JP's. Paula time-trialed it. She knew she had no kick, but pretty good speed endurance from her marathon training. Nobody else could manage that pace for 10k, but plenty of others would have out-kicked her if the race had been slow.

JP was in a completely different situation. She's probably not capable of getting near her PR now, it would have been crazy to pull the rest of the field round by running at the front.

It's early days in these championships but all the early signs are that Europeans have forgotten how to run middle and long distances. Mens 800m qualifying was pretty poor ; understandable if you go through in 50-51 and then fade but should you fade after going through in 53/54??.

Mens steeple qualifying was nothing special either, nor was womens 800 or 1500 qualifying. I expect mens 10000 tonight will be similarly slow - Farah will kick to victory well outside 28 minutes.

Pavey ran a brilliant race - but it was a slow and even paced race for 9000 with nobody apparently prepared even to try and shake things up a little. Pavey had shown at the Commonwealth Games that she still has a decent dig on the last lap - did non of her rivals watch that race??

yyy wrote:

Flawed logic: The 800m winner has probably posted a very fast time this, while none of the women have been nowhere near IK's WR of 30:13 or winning time of 30:23 in recent years.

For the record, PR has the CC record of 30:02 from Munich/Munchen in 2002.

Only American distance runners (men and women) are to some

extent able to compete with the Africans. It makes you wonder, although personally it the effects of "less is more"

that was a problem in the US until the tide changes some years ago.

What rubbish!

Jo Pavey and Julia Bleasdale came 7th and 8th in London 2012 ahead of the whole world minus Ethiopia and Kenya. Pavey beat a Kenyan and almost beat another at the Commonwealth Games 2 weeks ago. Mara Yamauchi did the same a few years back and won marathons against East Africans. Mo Farah is the double Olympic and World Champion. Paula Radcliffe is the Marathon World Record holder. Gemma Steel just beat your best female distance runner 2 weeks ago.

Britain's recent distance achievements have been superior to Americas.

That's Sara Moreira of Portugal. Wow, if she runs a few more laps, her shorts would've disappeared entirely into the crack.

There are some real, European long distance running babes, Sabrina Mockenhampf is another one.

For nearly a decade Jo has been consistently very good, just not good enough to beat the East Africans. Assessment on her is, she is strong but when it comes to the last lap, Dibaba and Defar can clock in 58 seconds, other Ethiopians and Kenyans can run in low 60s, while the best Jo can do is 66 seconds or so.

I must give her credit, 66 second last lap at age 40 is very, very good. I don't think she could done much better 10 years ago.

Mo Farah is a superb runner, but he is of East African descent.

Why is nobody stating the obvious? She has run the two best races of her life in the last couple weeks.

uh didn't she run a 62 sec last lap in the euros? i might be wrong though.

eldanielfire wrote:

yyy wrote:

I don't want to be negative, but this shows the decline of European distance running. Ingrid Kristiansen ran 2min -two minutes faster in 1986.

Jo Pavey has run faster on many occasion and was only beaten by East Africans in the 2012 Olympics. The time only reflects that it was an edgy and tactical race for the first half. I can't believe a supposed poster with running knowledge would think a championship 10,000m time is reflective of he quality.

Agreed, especially when Mo runs the second slowest time in European Championship history.

PotatoPotato wrote:

uh didn't she run a 62 sec last lap in the euros? i might be wrong though.

She led at the bell, the last lap was 66.44.

Dibaba would have gapped her by 50 meters on that last lap.

Although it is true, Dibaba wasn't eligible to run there so why even mention it?

Excellent run by Jo!

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Pavey-s-coach-salutes-amazing-athlete/story-22725801-detail/story.html

Kenya!

I just want to put things into perspective, not to take anything away from Jo.

To illustrate my point, here's another excellent run by Jo in 3000m in 2006, she beat Vivian Cheruiyot and Meselech Melkamu

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=156038314419749