Brojos missing a key point about Solinsky and Rupp in WTW

You don't know what you're talking about. Rupp ran 4:01/8:03/13:37 in high school. He was being squeezed for everything he had.

The numbers in the article were surprising to me. For whatever reason Rupp has just always seemed like a better runner, even during 2009/2010. Plainly I can see who has better PRs, but when it counted, Solinsky never delivered.

Miss that mark wrote:

Solinsky's heavy training led to the breaking down of his hamstring.

Solinsky was doing extensive training jumping over dogs on steps? Who knew?

malmo wrote:

You don't know what you're talking about. Rupp ran 4:01/8:03/13:37 in high school. He was being squeezed for everything he had.

i like this quote: "and given Rupp’s baby-face, he likely developed later than most"

have to ask wrote:

Miss that mark wrote:

Solinsky's heavy training led to the breaking down of his hamstring.

Solinsky was doing extensive training jumping over dogs on steps? Who knew?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he having hamstring issues before that? Didn't that cause him to pull out of the 2011 Pre Classic 10k and weakened him so much that Alamirew could shove him around in Monaco?

deenouk wrote:

I don't think Solinsky was ever that great. He was not a championship racer. Did he even make the US Olympic team in 2008 or 2012?

No he didn't. And you are correct, he is/was overrated. People -- especially on this site -- just have so much animosity for Rupp that they ended up rooting for Solinsky because they made him out to be the anti-Rupp. Rupp has now won a 10,000m diamond league race and been right in the mix on the last lap in multiple 5000s. Solinsky may have run a slightly faster time, but he never even came close to having a shot at winning. Never mind Rupp's Olympic Silver and potential Gold in 2016. That's a whole different level entirely. They never really had a rivalry, sorry Rojo and the boys. Rupp & Salazar were always aiming for 2012-2016 and beyond, Solinsky was peaking too early.

Rojo/Wejo -

Thank you for continually providing us LRC visitors with delightful entertainment on the message boards. Your comments are considerably amusing, especially when taking into account your endless jealousy towards Galen Rupp.

"The facts are Solinsky was better than Rupp in terms of absolute accomplishments (PRs) and PRs at a given age when he got hurt."

Even if people agree with you that Solinsky may've been a few seconds faster when they were youngins, does it really matter now? I repeat, does it really matter NOW?

WHO has enjoyed a more successful PROFESSIONAL career?

WHO has more American Records?

WHO has an Olympic Silver Medal?

WHO has WON the US Olympic trials?

WHO has qualified for more Olympic teams?

WHO has more US Titles?

WHO has beaten the GOAT, Kenenisia Bekele?

You wish the answer was Solinsky.

I've been to other countries and when I run with the locals, WHO do you think they get excited telling me about, asking me if I know him?

Again, you wish the answer was Solinsky.

It is saddening to read your slanted articles over and over again, as your jealously towards Rupp is inherent in every WTW, or when you ask him to comment on innovation vs cheating in a post-race interview, instead of congratulating him and actually feeling happy for him (god forbid right?) For the last few years you have criticized Rupp claiming he's had unfair advantages and this and that...and blah blah blah.

If more value is placed on college competition over high school competition it is because college is more intense and the athletes are older and the times are faster; following that line of thinking, that means that a professional career is more important than a college career. Another reason professional running is more important than college is that people are getting paid for it, so if you don't continually run really really fast, you don't get paid. Solinsky himself said "Nike wouldn't pay [him] to be running at a mediocre level" (Feb 27th 2014 -

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/02/chris-solinsky-moving-marathon/

). Your "fact" that Solinsky had a few slightly faster times at the age of 22 may be true, but it is a clinging-for-dear-life fact.

Now, here is a your same fact, re-worded a little more maturely: "The facts are Rupp is better than Solinsky in terms of absolute accomplishments (PRs), US Titles, and Olympic Medals."

I think that I have seen a grand total of 1 still picture from Schumacher's camp of the whole group training together at their height. Salazar allows a great deal, the most famous being the post-race indoor workouts of recent years, though apparently Rupp objected after the latest and greatest version was being picked out as evidence of doping that they shouldn't be making public their training plans to the competition. Since then, I don't recall any of those training session being filmed.

Solinsky was great in that one year, but he acknowledged his mistake of raising his training level in the offseason, which is what led to his injury. It wasn't the high mileage year in and year out but when he went above and beyond after his great year, rather than resting and consolidating his gains and trying another year at around the same mileage.

rojo wrote:

Marcar19 wrote:

What are you talking about? Salazar has let Flotrack film plenty of their workouts.

Last year, I asked one of the flotrack guys who spent time with them in Park City, "Hey, I don't subscrbibe to flotrack. On these episodes, do you guys show their workouts?"

Answer: "No, we were only allowed to show them warming up. We weren't allowed anywhere near the track during the workout."

So what? 5 Flotrack videos of NOP athletes working out, and I can think of one from Schumacher's group (an easy run at altitude). I like both groups, but you're way off base on the secrecy thing, Rojo. Jerry is far, far more secretive than Alberto. It really looks like you have an axe to grind.

Classic nop apologist, you can't even follow the scope of the discussion, you are just blinded by jerry hate. It's not relevant what jerry does, we were talking about whether Sal might have rupp running more than what he leads on, and the lack of knowledge around rupps training (e.g. The flotrack issue) leads one to speculate whether we are getting the whole truth..... It literally has nothing to do with jerry, no matter how much you want it to, no matter how much you want to complain about him... It's not logical here... Thyroid Meds must be getting to your brain, please see Dr. Brown ASAP

NOP rage kills wrote:

Classic nop apologist, you can't even follow the scope of the discussion, you are just blinded by jerry hate. It's not relevant what jerry does, we were talking about whether Sal might have rupp running more than what he leads on, and the lack of knowledge around rupps training (e.g. The flotrack issue) leads one to speculate whether we are getting the whole truth..... It literally has nothing to do with jerry, no matter how much you want it to, no matter how much you want to complain about him... It's not logical here... Thyroid Meds must be getting to your brain, please see Dr. Brown ASAP

Madman bummers drummers Indians in the summer with a teenage diplomat .......

this takes it for irony - yeah there's certainly a pattern of Jerry hate on LRC. And, the flotrack issue, for sure.

The idea that an adult person's "baby face" is somehow an indicator of his overall physical maturation is so profoundly uninformed that I'm waiting for someone to make a confident statement about the relative proportions of Rupp's and Solinsky's penises based on their spike sizes.

This is a non-controversy. Solinsky had a fantastic career, but at this point, with the exception of the 5,000 meters, Rupp has destroyed both Solinsky's fastest times and his championship record. Rupp may have the charisma of a turnip and his coach has a thoroughly unlikable persona, but even if you take these as reasons to root against the man, his accomplishments are far and away the best of any American in recent generations and -- given the unprecedented level of competition he faces as compared to athletes of the 1960s through the 1980s -- maybe ever. Virgin won a couple of World Cross-Country titles and Rupp won't duplicate that, but seriously, this is just nonsense.

It's only five flotrack workouts. You think he's going to let the meat and potatoes of his training be filmed? You're nuts

rojo wrote:

I see your point but everyone seems to be ignoring the fact it was A FLUKE injury that had nothing to do with his running. So we'll never know.

As you said regarding what coaches tell us about their runners' training, "we don't know the truth."

Was it a fluke accident, or was that an excuse for too heavy of a training load? Was is a massive spill, or was it a small tumble that was exacerbated by being broken down at that point?

Flukes happen, I get that, and I'm not saying this wasn't one. However, we can't just assume that Solinsky would have improved, or even stayed at that level after 2010.

How do we not know something training-wise didn't leave his body in a state more susceptible to incurring a fluke injury?

And where does this no workout video junk come from? Are the Brojos on the same internet? And have we not all also seen the look inside all of the secret strength and conditioning work of Rupp and Mo? Or that Kara G wrote about in her book? I can't say I've seen it from the other camp.

Fortunately I have liked Rupp and Solinsky equally, exactly for those qualities which they possess which are so different from each other and each had qualities I could see in myself or wish I had. I could never favor one over the other.

It's like people who now dislike Obama for qualities or lack thereof which they say they didn't see before. No, some just chose , or choose, to ignore the evidence when it doesn't fit what they want to believe.

Sorry Brojos, your bias is apparent.

This. Conversation over. Why are people still feeding the bro-trolls?

Nothing gets past the brojos. Nothing.

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Nop defenders, please calm down. YOu simply don't get the whole point of our section in the WTW.I'll answer your questions below:

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Where did we deny that Rupp isn't better than Solinsky? That's obvious. Rupp is the best track American distance runner in a long, long time.

The whole point of our section in the Week That Was was simply to get people, who obviously know that Rupp has had the better pro career, to pause and just think, "Wow might it have been different if Solinsky hadn't gotten hurt?"

That's it.

I mean the average 17 year old kid who just got into running may not even know who Solinsky is. For him to read this would be pretty interesting.

-Rojo

PS. You guys are so defensive it's kind of embarrassing. People want me to discount Solinsky's dominance of Rupp up until 2011 due to the fact that Rupp wasn't training as much.

One thing that is obvious is Schumacher doesn't care for PR and share much. Where did i say that wasn't the case? I only mentioned the access of workouts because some wanted me to somehow discount the 12-3 head to head record because Rupp wasn't training as hard as Solinsky. I was just saying, "That's ridiculous. The score is the score. Plus I don't know really who does what in training unless I see it with my own eyes."