"Not a nice person", that proves it then.
"Not a nice person", that proves it then.
Apparently not tested either after the race. The other medalists and 1 other were
I find it frustrating that this site continually insinuates that athletes who perform to an exceptional level- in this case due to Lynsey's circumstances- are dopers. Its known amongst those who have watched lynsey race for the past few years that she's a fighter, and will never simply give up in a race. But because she raced well despite a poor race prep, she's a doper. Well done everyone. Also Paula has never tested positive, and showed a gradual progression from a junior- not common amongst dopers.
IslandLoper wrote:
I find it frustrating that this site continually insinuates that athletes who perform to an exceptional level- in this case due to Lynsey's circumstances- are dopers. Its known amongst those who have watched lynsey race for the past few years that she's a fighter, and will never simply give up in a race. But because she raced well despite a poor race prep, she's a doper. Well done everyone. Also Paula has never tested positive, and showed a gradual progression from a junior- not common amongst dopers.
If you are saying the boards here continually insinuate that athletes are dopers - all it takes is one person to think so and post, so naturally the boards are going to be rife with insinuations. If you are saying the brojo's are insinuating - in this case I think you completely misread their post as I don't read it that way at all. In other cases I think they generally tend to reflect majority opinion.
I find it frustrating that this site continually insinuates that athletes who perform to an exceptional level- in this case due to Lynsey's circumstances- are dopers. Its known amongst those who have watched lynsey race for the past few years that she's a fighter, and will never simply give up in a race. But because she raced well despite a poor race prep, she's a doper. Well done everyone. Also Paula has never tested positive, and showed a gradual progression from a junior- not common amongst dopers.[/quote]
^^ This.
Also, the brojo's were insinuating that she was "benefiting" from being on a drip. You really are a nation full of morons.
LetsRun.com wrote:
Cool story if you haven't seen it.
Share was really, really sick and vomiting and went to the hospital and was there until 5:30 am and got an IV drip:
http://www.athleticsweekly.com/featured/sick-sharp-cites-miracle-comeback-secure-silver-glasgow-8499/She came back that night to get silver.
Also there is an interesting anti-doping angle, that we haven't seen mentioned. IVs aren't allowed by WADA unless you get admitted to a hospital. So if you get sick it is better to get really sick and go to the hospital.
WADA says, "Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions or clinical investigations."
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/World_Anti-Doping_Program/WADP-Prohibited-list/2014/WADA-prohibited-list-2014-EN.pdfand "Note that if an intervention is part of a clinical investigation or hospital admission, there is no requirement for either an advance or retroactive TUE. The athlete is
nevertheless strongly advised to obtain and maintain and keep a copy of the medical records."
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/Science_Medicine/Medical_info_to_support_TUECs/WADA_Medical_info_IV_infusions_3.0_EN.pdfLove to hear scientists chime in how an IV with non prohibited stuff in it could help not sick athletes.
First, there is little evidence that IVs help with rehydration any better than oral intake. Of course if the person is not awake then oral hydration is not an option.
As to how it can help a non-sick person: plasma volume expansion. Plasma volume expansion can also hide high hematocrit.
So are the brosjo finally admitting that their hero Paula Radcliffe is a doper because she habitually used IV drips?
Thistle wrote:
Apparently not tested either after the race. The other medalists and 1 other were
Source
If you are saying the boards here continually insinuate that athletes are dopers - all it takes is one person to think so and post, so naturally the boards are going to be rife with insinuations. If you are saying the brojo's are insinuating - in this case I think you completely misread their post as I don't read it that way at all. In other cases I think they generally tend to reflect majority opinion.[/quote]
Are you Blind? Have you seen the number of people who have slandered Paula or Lynsey on this post, by stating- without evidence- that they have doped their way to success? So I don't "think" people are insinuating, I know they are.
Truth must be spoken wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if she was a doper. Not the nicest person in the world and full of excuses. Yet claims she isn't but first thing she does is clutch leg after thinking she failed to reach final. Then suddenly it's fine again. Jo Pavey now that's an athlete!
She held her leg after the final as well, you moron.
MrGambinus wrote:
If you get the sandard 0,9% sodium chlorite infusion your erythrocyte levels don't change at all.
Sodium Chlorite would kill you. You mean Sodium Chloride
LetsRun.com wrote:
Cool story if you haven't seen it.
Share was really, really sick and vomiting and went to the hospital and was there until 5:30 am and got an IV drip:
http://www.athleticsweekly.com/featured/sick-sharp-cites-miracle-comeback-secure-silver-glasgow-8499/She came back that night to get silver.
Also there is an interesting anti-doping angle, that we haven't seen mentioned. IVs aren't allowed by WADA unless you get admitted to a hospital. So if you get sick it is better to get really sick and go to the hospital.
WADA says, "Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions or clinical investigations."
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/World_Anti-Doping_Program/WADP-Prohibited-list/2014/WADA-prohibited-list-2014-EN.pdfand "Note that if an intervention is part of a clinical investigation or hospital admission, there is no requirement for either an advance or retroactive TUE. The athlete is
nevertheless strongly advised to obtain and maintain and keep a copy of the medical records."
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/Science_Medicine/Medical_info_to_support_TUECs/WADA_Medical_info_IV_infusions_3.0_EN.pdfLove to hear scientists chime in how an IV with non prohibited stuff in it could help not sick athletes.
By definition, you can't be "really, really sick" and do well against world class athletes the same friggin DAY.
More Brojo hyperbole as usual
All I know is if I'm really sick (bad food, stomach flu, etc.) I'm out for a couple days. I don't feel like getting out of bed let a lone walking even a few feet. Unless it was motion sickness or nerves, I don't see anyone coming back from a real sickness and even finishing a race.
The article makes it sound like it was food poisoning (poorly written making it hard to understand), but A: who gets steak the night before a big race? and B: If it's food poisoning, I'm sorry, but you're not eating porridge and scrambled eggs the next morning and you're not going to "miraculously" recover and finish second in any race.
LetsRun.com wrote:
Love to hear scientists chime in how an IV with non prohibited stuff in it could help not sick athletes.
I won't not say that not sick athletes will or won't not benefit from stuff -- particularly non prohibited stuff -- at least not here I won't. I will say that asking for scientific discourse on this site is akin to potato.
Surprised no one's brought up Michael Jordan's comeback from the flu. How is this any different? Everyone gushes over that performance.
exthrower wrote:
This is what Lance did, but in a bus parked on the side of the road.
Yes, not at the localk public hospital
IVs aren't illegal because they provide performance enhancement (other than hydration), they are illegal because they dilute the samples. Lance used this during the tour to keep his EPO levels within the allowed concentrations.
joedirt wrote:
IVs aren't illegal because they provide performance enhancement (other than hydration), they are illegal because they dilute the samples. Lance used this during the tour to keep his EPO levels within the allowed concentrations.
Paula Radcliffe used this throughout her doping career.
cyclists routinely use it to lower their hematocrit level. in cycling the hematocrit level is 50%, so "everyone" has a hematocrit of 49-50%. dehydration will push the crit level over 50, so they rehydrate their levels down to 50. also, if a rider is really 50%+ the team doctor or manager will hydrate the rider down to 50. they should really measure crit levels in track; however, this is not done. alsal would scream "foul" ... or some alsal proxy would scream "foul" instead.
from a drug blog ...
In grand tours you have to pass morning controls with no more than a 50% hematocrit, just like for any race, so they either take the extra blood out of you after the stage and save for re-infusion after morning controls, or they simply jack you with IV saline and volume expanders like Hespan right before morning controls so your hematocrit is diluted to 49-50%. You still have the same O2 carrying capacity that you had at say 56% …the blood is just diluted down. This extra fluid also comes in handy in the stage.