Ches would have beaten Rupp in that race had they run it exactly the same way and were together with 200 to go

Even Farah says Rupp has as much top end speed as he does. So I think you are wrong. If the kick were to start 400M or 600M out, then I would side with Farah. But at 200M I don't think Farah quite has the top end speed.

Diamond League wrote:

Rupp yes. Farah, no.

A ton of people could beat Rupp in a 200m sprint at the end of a very slow 10000. Not sure how that is relevant, though.

This!

Ferrsure wrote:

Idiot, the OP said if the race was run exactly the way it was tonight. I.e Rupp runs with them and waits until 200m to go before trying to break away and win. If the race played out that way then Ches would out kick Rupp. The OP didn't say Rupp goes out at 26:40 pace and wins by two minutes...

Thanks, pal. I understood the OP's statement, but that doesn't mean he isn't stupid for proposing such a situation.

Even so, I think Rupp would win.

LM wrote:

He has run flying start 11 low HT. Dunno what possibility that indicates...

This supposed 11 low HT is about as reliable as a home video of someone standing with a stop watch at the finish line (an impossible point from which to determine the start) while another sprints down the straightaway from somewhere in the vague vicinity of 100m away, the viewer never even seeing the watch, not knowing when it was started and then hearing the stop watch holder declare 11 point.

Can folks please stop quoting this "statistic" as if it has any real meaning?

This is kind of a dumb topic. Rudisha could do the same. It doesn't really mean anything.

vampgaze wrote:

his kick reminds me EXACTLY of ezekiel kemboi's. their running styles are even every similar (the arm carriage) look it up. i think its definitely got something to do with having shorter legs.

Yifter the Shifter

if bolt and rupp walked 4800m and sprinted it in, bolt would SO win.

If Rupp ran a 10k as slow as 28:30 he'd be practically fresh and could easily have beat Ches. Rupp has gone 11 flat in flying 100s so he has some great top end speed and would probably be barely winded at the end of that. I'd say his 1:57 800 in the AR 10k is a far more impressive kick and this last 200 from Ches tells us nothing except that he isn't running fast enough.

Swag Lord wrote:

If Rupp ran a 10k as slow as 28:30 he'd be practically fresh and could easily have beat Ches. Rupp has gone 11 flat in flying 100s so he has some great top end speed and would probably be barely winded at the end of that. I'd say his 1:57 800 in the AR 10k is a far more impressive kick and this last 200 from Ches tells us nothing except that he isn't running fast enough.

It was just a theoretical question from the OP, and I am not sure if Rupp could beat him over this last 200 in this situation. We've never seen Rupp run a race like that.

What is interesting is that when Rupp was a college frosh, he took the lead of the 10K with well over a mile to go I believe, maybe 6 or 8 laps? Rob Cheseret sat him all the while and then blew by over the last lap. I think Rupp still ran under 28:30 but he didn't have the strength back then to run at that pace and have fast last lap.

Dreamer2356 wrote:

Even if Rupp were jogging I just truly don't believe he has the wheels to run under 25 seconds for the final 200 meters. Ches was even looking back. He had a 24.3 in him for sure.

Maybe, but Rupp would have gone 800m out and it would have been all over. Chesserak is good, but 28:30 is not fast for pro distance runners and the faster ones could get another .5 secs out of themselves.

Don't forget, Galen won the US Champs finishing the last 400m of his 10,000m in 52.54

Ferrsure wrote:

Idiot, the OP said if the race was run exactly the way it was tonight. I.e Rupp runs with them and waits until 200m to go before trying to break away and win. If the race played out that way then Ches would out kick Rupp. The OP didn't say Rupp goes out at 26:40 pace and wins by two minutes...

No he said "that race", which could mean Rupps 10k or it could mean Ches's, you are the idiot if you can't recognize the ambiguity in the OPs post.

Swag Lord wrote:

If Rupp ran a 10k as slow as 28:30 he'd be practically fresh and could easily have beat Ches. Rupp has gone 11 flat in flying 100s so he has some great top end speed and would probably be barely winded at the end of that. I'd say his 1:57 800 in the AR 10k is a far more impressive kick and this last 200 from Ches tells us nothing except that he isn't running fast enough.

"This supposed 11 low HT is about as reliable as a home video of someone standing with a stop watch at the finish line (an impossible point from which to determine the start) while another sprints down the straightaway from somewhere in the vague vicinity of 100m away, the viewer never even seeing the watch, not knowing when it was started and then hearing the stop watch holder declare 11 point.

Can folks please stop quoting this "statistic" as if it has any real meaning?"

Sorry but I'll take Salazar saying it over a poster who doesn't train/coach Galen claiming there is no truth to it.

Moreover, it's fairly consistent with the ability to run 50 point or 50 low for 400m, which seems to be roughly what Farah and Rupp are capable of.

I do still find it amazing just how bad the start wrecks distance guys. Farah can probably run right about 50 point, and yet in a proper 100m race can barely break 13.

He'll be world class soon.

He woulda been dropped in the Pre 10,000, however.

Farah closed a 14:00(?) 5k in 50, so he could have beaten Cheserek if they were together at 9750m of that race, but not by much.