Oiselle Reprimanded by USATF

new computer new name wrote:

Think outside the box wrote:

Hasay was not offered a spot on the World Relay Team

Think harder outside your box and you'll understand what I meant.

My box does not fixate on fantasy nor Hasay fascination. I prefer to discuss the facts...Sorry if you have a problem with that.

Ghrelin wrote:

Nike sponsorship $ aside, it's clearly a conflict of interest to have the sport's governing body sponsored by a company that also sponsors specific groups of athletes. It'd be like the NBA getting a 30 year Miami Heat sponsorship.

No, it would be like the NBA getting a so-many-year sponsorship from someone like adidas. Now that would be would be outrageous!

Oh wait..

Silly comparisons aside, Nike deserves their swoosh on the uniforms if they paid for that. One can analyze the deal and say it was a bad one for USATF (or is it USTAF? haha) but no other company could offer that sort of deal. Oiselle has enough trouble paying for well-known names.

Listen, old man, here at Nike (5yrs) have a massive Sports Marketing department. I doubt Oiselle has anyone managing sports marketing and assets in general. The US Brand team here does a great job, best in the world, but Oiselle is managing assets via its CEO, I believe.

It is their duty, they just don't have the expertise. They are spending their money on athletes but not on experience. marketers.

9687825! wrote:

Does anyone have links to the doctored images?

Childish on Oiselle's part, but USATF is so bought and run by Nike that it's ridiculous. I'm surprised they're not trying to step in here and shut down this thread.

Nike/USATF = teh suck

Yeah, anybody still have the doctored photos?

I'd usually side with the "little guy" (Oiselle), but I think this time they were in the wrong.

Maybe Bumbalough should lawyer up.

Urine idiot wrote:

You retards are missing the point.

USATF was so fast to act on reprimanding Oisille and did so within hours, but can't make a statement on Bumby months later.

This sport is so messed up. To have actual losers support nike is and chastise Oiselle, proves that nike will continue to prevail and everyone is hostage to USATF and nike. If you're not Rupp, Hasay or Eaton are you really being helped?

Nobody is missing the point. However, your claim is VERY poorly thought out. You are proposing that USATF acts heavily in Nike's interests (which may be true), but you are using Bumbalough as an example of it.

Let me reiterate. BUMBALOUGH is Nike's damn athlete. They pay him what is likely a fairly good sum to run and represent them at these championships. It doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together and realize that Bumbalough being DQ'd is NOT within Nike's best interests (especially when doing so really doesn't even benefit any of their other athletes in terms of finishing place).

And let's talk about this "If you're not Rupp, Hasay or Eaton are you really being helped?" deal for a moment.

Don't you think Solinsky and Tegenkamp are pretty damn happy about still being paid by Nike despite not being remotely competitive for upwards of a year?

And how about Webb? He hadn't done a thing for almost half a decade, and he was still getting paid to run every day based on the integrity of his past performances.

Or take Jager and Centro. Both of them have performed well, with Centro earning WC medals and Jager getting an AR. I bet they're pretty damn satisfied with having access to high class training facilities on a daily basis for doing nothing but running, which just happens to be what they really like.

You act like Nike treats all but 3 of its runners as slaves with no purpose. Talk to any one of them and I bet they'll be pretty damn quick to tell you that Nike was basically a godsend to them. Paid enough to support themselves, access to the best coaches, access to the best training facilities, access to physical therapists, funded trips to Europe, bonuses for good performances, ALL for doing what they love.

Sure, you've got guys like Symmonds who don't like it. He's just fortunate that when he left Nike, there were other companies willing to pick up the tab. In contrast, just look at what happened to Manzano. Great performer, but when he rejected Nike, he was basically on his own for a year until he finally managed to secure a deal with Hoka (which I'd never even heard of up until that point).

Ignore it. I guarantee it is just a threat. I would do it again and again.

This is an interesting letter, despite the fact that the USATF lawyer can't spell USATF.

Who was "damaged" here, Nike, or USATF? The USATF letter only said Nike was damaged -- if that were the case, shouldn't Nike be sending the letter? USATF only says that the "doctored" photos diminishes the value of the USATF's sponsorship or licensing relationships. Is that considered damage to the USATF? Is that something forbidden by unfair competition laws, false advertising laws, or the Lanham Act? Does Oiselle have any legal or contractual obligations to the USATF?

I don't know the nature of all the contracts involved, but these seem more to me like Nike's rights, and the USATF doesn't have any rights or interests to protect. Unless Oiselle has specific obligations to the USATF, or could show they were damaged (and not Nike) it doesn't look like they could make a case.

Let me put it another way. Oiselle is sponsoring USATF athletes, but is Oiselle subject to any USATF rules? If I took pictures at the meet, photoshopped them, and posted them on the web, could the USATF make a case against me? Maybe Nike could, if they could show I damaged them, but not the USATF.

new computer new name wrote:

Think harder outside your box and you'll understand what I meant.

Please, no more crossfit talk.

According to a flotrack pro interview of nick symmonds, nike and other companies not only have bonuses built into their contracts but reduction clauses. Meaning if an athlete doesn't make a team or doesn't medal their contract is reduced sometimes by half. So it's very likely solinsky and teg aren't making much any more. There's no job security with nike, symmonds says. With brooks he got a guaranteed salary and a "no reductions clause."

Brenda Martinez has made world championships teams on her own merit.

quote]rekrunner wrote:

If I took pictures at the meet, photoshopped them, and posted them on the web, could the USATF make a case against me? Maybe Nike could, if they could show I damaged them, but not the USATF.[/quote]

My beef is it shows where USATFs priorities lie. They can act very quickly when they need to. When it's about fair sport or doping they are slow to act and/or silent.

If you doctored photos, it would be fair use most likely.

Oiselle is doing it for commercial gain which is different.

They should have known better. If Skechers tried to photoshop a Skechers logo on Meb winning NYC they'd hear from Nike.

I did notice earlier this year, Nike had a swoosh on a "Countdown to the Boston Marathon" clock on Flotrack this year. I'm surprised that passed muster with the Nike legal department as "Boston Marathon" is a trademarked term. They could have gotten around it with a "Countdown to Boston" clock instead of "Boston Marathon" but this clearly said "Countdown to The Boston Marathon".

Am i really the only who noticed the inconsistency of the name "USATF/USTAF?"

Can they at least get that right so I can attribute them at least some credibility?

zdlkjlhgvfilg wrote:

Am i really the only who noticed the inconsistency of the name "USATF/USTAF?"

Can they at least get that right so I can attribute them at least some credibility?

Scroll up.

You are the third one to mention it.

zdlkjlhgvfilg wrote:

Am i really the only who noticed the inconsistency of the name "USATF/USTAF?"

Can they at least get that right so I can attribute them at least some credibility?

Not sure reprimand is the right verb here.

This is an idiotic move on Oiselle's part.

They will be stomped upon. Someone at their company lost a job today (if they have any smarts over there anyway).

But, doesn't mean USATF is still the best governing body for our sport. Far from it after the tricks this past winter season..

I guess lack of integrity is a standard that you don't apply to yourself.

The actions of the Oiselle CEO smells of desperation. Perhaps you should look at the reasons for your actions as well.

wejo wrote:

quote]rekrunner wrote:

If I took pictures at the meet, photoshopped them, and posted them on the web, could the USATF make a case against me? Maybe Nike could, if they could show I damaged them, but not the USATF.

They should have known better. If Skechers tried to photoshop a Skechers logo on Meb winning NYC they'd hear from Nike.

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I can almost guarantee Oiselle knew better and acted anyways for publicity reason, they are getting free marketing from the "outrage media".

It is in their best interest to act outraged by USATF when in fact they are loving it.

Two thumbs up, Oiselle.