Does anyone even realize that Solinsky broke 12:57 THREE TIMES IN 2010!!!!!

Was Ski training with Tyson Gay?

Reality Check Here wrote:

Reality Check. Solinsky's last race while in great shape ended when he somehow got shoved completely off the track by a 120-lb Ethiopian. Though video replay makes it look more fake than the Italian national football team's dives in the World Cup.

Before that he dropped out of a 10k 2 miles in and called Rupp's allergies "a ploy." Since then he is almost completely unable to finish even a 3k, like the one he dropped out half-way through after being in the middle of the pack with college guys at like 8:20 pace.

Actually, the little Epopian did knock Solinsky out of the race. Solinsky showed he your typical no-sack American white guy by not jumping back into the race. That little turd of an Epopian has done this to other people, but was only called on it when he knocked an African on his ass. PC rules the day. LOL

at the end of day most people have been fawning over solinsky as a mans man and mocking rupp for being light in the loafers. but in reality solinsky is only man in appearance and rupp is the one with the balls.

Am I the only one who is willing to connects the dots. Yes Solinsky was great thoughout 2010 and into 2011. But that is the very reason why he got injured. By doing the high volume, high intensity training to get to those great performances he was taking risks. And for what? to show up Rupp in early season races? to medal in some Dleague races in an off year?

At the very least Solinsky could have managed the risks of injury better. Why did he stun the T&F world at a 2010 Payton Jordan race and not in the 2011 WCs or 12' Olympics?

I'm truly a fan of Solinsky. But its too bad we never saw Solinsky at his best on a big stage. I know injuries can be simple bad luck or fate. But I kind of feel like he let his fans down.

ryan foreman wrote:

Am I the only one who is willing to connects the dots. Yes Solinsky was great thoughout 2010 and into 2011. But that is the very reason why he got injured. By doing the high volume, high intensity training to get to those great performances he was taking risks. And for what? to show up Rupp in early season races? to medal in some Dleague races in an off year?

At the very least Solinsky could have managed the risks of injury better. Why did he stun the T&F world at a 2010 Payton Jordan race and not in the 2011 WCs or 12' Olympics?

I'm truly a fan of Solinsky. But its too bad we never saw Solinsky at his best on a big stage. I know injuries can be simple bad luck or fate. But I kind of feel like he let his fans down.

If that's the route we're going, I think we can place the majority of the blame on Solinsky's coach, not Solinsky himself.

In what way could he have "handled the risks of injury better?" He was training as hard as he could and trying to run as fast as he could....of course he was trying to avoid injuries but you can't be scared to train hard and run fast just because you're worried about injuries.

And as far as why he didn't run the 2011 WCs or 12 OGs, it's cause he was injured....it's not like he just didn't feel like running or sat them out. He physically could not run. If he had I bet he would have done some serious damage.

I didn't even read the last sentence in your post originally, but good lord man are you serious???? He "let his fans down"??? He doesn't owe you, me, or his "fans" anything at all. He trained as hard as he could in the best way he could. He got injured, which happens quite a bit to guys at that level. His career still isn't over and he has plenty of time to do more great stuff.

say goodbye to the goat wrote:What could have been. If he hadn't gotten injured after that year I really think he could have gone sub 12:50

it wasn't a question of couda

it was wouda

i saw his pb race ( 12'55 ) as many here did also, & as usual they ambled the 4th km

sol was new to this elite game & played along, doing nothing in that 4th km

in retrospect, if he had been gunning for the clock rather han win, he wouda pused the 4th km & even though he maya not finished better than the 5th or 6th he got, he wouda dragged them thru to times not far off that paris-'12 5k with 6 guys 12'46 - 12'49

i am 100% certain watcing that race he wouda gone 12'50 that day if he/some damn african had just run a "normal" 2'34 for 4th km & kept 61+ pace to bell not some rubbish nearer 2'40 ( someone look it up ) & no improvement in folowing 600 to bell

he shoud be considered a 12'50 talent

say goodbye to the goat wrote:

And twice in 1 month! Only American who has done it more times is Lagat.....

Man I miss when Solinsky was a boss on the track.

What could have been. If he hadn't gotten injured after that year I really think he could have gone sub 12:50.

Rupp the so called "golden boy" has broken 13 ONE TIME and he ran 12:58. Solinsky might not have the medals that Rupp has but damn it he ran with heart and balled out at every given opportunity. I really hope he can get back in shape for a half or full thon....he could do some damage on the roads with that speed.

Nothing wrong with reminiscing about Solinsky's impressive year and string of fast 5000s, but you lost me when you compared him to Rupp. Big fail. Rupp has run faster at every other distance. He's made multiple World/Oly teams, he was U.S. titles, an Oly medal. Comical comparison.

Star wrote:

Thinking what a wall 12:58 had been.

the wall was 13 minutes

no, i don't consider him that at all. i think he said his max 400m speed was 52-53 -- not fast for a guy at that level. 12:55 seems total max effort for him, considering how much he was training/pushing his body to the red line. and the 4th k usually slows because it's very very difficult to "gun it from the gun" and that rarely happens. easier said than done, you know?

hard to argue that, because he three times ran 12:55 or 12:56 that season, without once being in a 12:40s race where he could have been pulled to something better. And by going repeatedly after that American record at 5000m, he cost himself attempts at other records. He already had the 10k record at the time, and obviously could have run significantly under 26:59 at the time or that summer, because he closed that 10k in 1:56.

reality coat check wrote:no, i don't consider him that at all. i think he said his max 400m speed was 52-53 -- not fast for a guy at that level. 12:55 seems total max effort for him, considering how much he was training/pushing his body to the red line. and the 4th k usually slows because it's very very difficult to "gun it from the gun" and that rarely happens. easier said than done, you know?

it is obvious you never saw his 3 sub-13's on tv or if you did, you didn't watch properly

each time, chances of a clocking under 12'50 were destroyed by jogging from 3k - bell

sol back then had 52s speed as said, but his 10k was more like 26'45/26'50

his 26'59 race was still a proverbial jog until 800 out, with a target pace of only the AR which at time was a paltry 27'13 by meb

chasing only 27'13 pace until last coupla laps severely limits your final time

even a peak kennster woudn't have gone much better than maybe 26'55 if he'd been in that race & kicked with sol from 800 out

a coupla prelim line of fit for sol in '10 were

52 / 26'50 ->3'34.1 , 7'28.3 , 12'51.7

52 / 26'45 ->3'33.8 , 7'27.3 , 12'49.7

a ~ 12'50 back then was very likely if the 5k had been gunned from start'to'tape

That is true about him never being in a 12:40s race to truly push him and see how fast he could go. If he had been in a race with 4-5 guys under 12:50 and several more right about it I think he could have been right with them.

exactly

the epic paris'12 5k showed what happens when there is some semblance of a reasonable 4th km - 2'34+, but even there, they slowed considerably between 4k - 4600m as isiah got fed-up of leading them & being a target

you couda knocked off coupla secs of each of those 6 guys 12'46 - 12'49 times & the top 2 were still no where near their limit with geb finishing with a 54unning wide on the bends !!!

it's a pity, isiah wasn't around in '10 to keep those circuit races honest...

120-lb Ethiopian

112

Nyet nyet, Soviet.

solinskweak wrote:

Anyone think he can run 26:59 again?

How many of those 5k's did Solinsky win ?

ventolin^3 wrote:

it wasn't a question of couda

it was wouda

i saw his pb race ( 12'55 ) as many here did also, & as usual they ambled the 4th km

sol was new to this elite game & played along, doing nothing in that 4th km

in retrospect, if he had been gunning for the clock rather han win, he wouda pused the 4th km & even though he maya not finished better than the 5th or 6th he got, he wouda dragged them thru to times not far off that paris-'12 5k with 6 guys 12'46 - 12'49

i am 100% certain watcing that race he wouda gone 12'50 that day if he/some damn african had just run a "normal" 2'34 for 4th km & kept 61+ pace to bell not some rubbish nearer 2'40 ( someone look it up ) & no improvement in folowing 600 to bell

he shoud be considered a 12'50 talent

Oh, that's right, his not running 12:50 was simply a matter of not realizing or caring that the paced had slowed in the 4th k. If he simply realized this, or someone had worked that 4th k at the proper pace, it would simply be a matter of following. No problem whatsoever! Voila! 5 seconds off his all time best (which he had already pushed down to a level few thought was possible for him). Yes, so so simple and easy. NO chance he might not have been able to handle such a pace for that 4th k. None at all.

You are a piece of work, THAT's for sure.

That was an awesome season. I have never been so excited watching distance races.