Duane Solomon 600m WORLD RECORD ATTEMPT Saturday 3/29

Absolutely. While at the 1000 he talked many times about it (or rather his coach did), and never something happened I would see the 600 as very possible, given he's also a 45s 400m runner.

I think he split like 1:14 or even 1:13 in one of his 800m world records?!

Here is the list of 600m splits during an 800m race:

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_600no.htm

For some reason, David Rudisha's 1:14.3 in the London Olympics final is not on the list, nor is any other split from that race.

Hardloper's post got me thinking that it would be great to have this race in Australia. Some fast 600m races have happened there according to this list, including Martin McGrady over Ralph Doubell in 1970:

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_600ok.htm

If Johnny Gray says Duane has done 1:13 more than once in practice, then Duane has a great shot at the record. The record is legit and a tough one, though.

SlowFatMaster wrote:The record is legit and a tough one, though.

i used to think it was semi-tough, but did some tables & recant

the nearest line to 1'12.81 was 1'12.80

1'12.80 = 44.44 = 1'42.88 = 2'12.62 = 3'29.90

it's not a great wr & if it was a medal event, i'd see it as being significantly faster

i get it as being as good as a 1'42.88 which is slower than gray's pb of 1'42.59 !

bear in mind though, when he ran the 600wr in '86 his 800sb was only 1'43.46

Is the 600m ever run during a time of year when 800m runners are actually in peak fitness? I can't recall seeing any results for 600m races in July or August, but I also don't follow the sport too closely any more. I would definitely not expect an 800m runner to put up very good 600m times in March or April. I also think with 1:41 talent Rudisha could easily break this record if ever in that kind of shape again.

if it was a medal event, i'd expect it to be as "strong" as maybe a 1'41.5 - 1'42.0 ->

1'42.00 = 1'12.14

1'41.50 = 1'11.77

call it ballpark 1'12-flat

ventolin^3 wrote:

if it was a medal event, i'd expect it to be as "strong" as maybe a 1'41.5 - 1'42.0 ->

1'42.00 = 1'12.14

1'41.50 = 1'11.77

call it ballpark 1'12-flat

Well Solomon certainly made those old time records look good

Coe could have done that time 30 years ago... in training

ukathleticscoach wrote:Coe could have done that time 30 years ago... in training

i doubt it

he didn't have enough 400 speed at his 800 best

at best he had 45-high, say 45.7 & with 1'41.7 ->

1'13.07

he wouda been significantly outside gray's wr

gray was a tall, strong guy & very likely had something like close to 45-flat speed at his best ( african-american 800 guys usually have great 400 speed, even if their 400pb isn't great ( don't usually run it in good fields ), & try to just hang onto that speed ), which with even "only" 1'42+ endurance wouda given him advantage over 600

for coe to get this wr, he wouda had to specifically train for 600 at cost of 800 training, meaning more speed/less endurance for 800 ( he probably woudn't have cracked 1'42 off this training )

if anyone shouda had the record, it was caballo who in '76 ran 44.26/1'43.5 ->1'12.96

now, those races were after rounds & that 1'43.5 essentially solo, & shouda been more like 1'42-high if rested & paced to bell on circuit

offer him something like a 44.1 for a rested, circuit 400

44.1 / 1'42.75 ->1'12.53

rudy in london likely had something like 44-high speed & his 800 had to be in region of 1'40-mid if rested & good pacing to bell

44.75 / 1'40.5 ->1'11.95

that's how fast the wr shoud be currently if it was a serious event ( that means for "specialist" 600 runners where a gold medal is on offer every 4y )

it's still a bit of a weak number & only = to

1'41.75 or 43.87

compared to 400 or 800 in absolute terms

interestingly, i did some estimates for what is exact in-between racing distance between 400 & 800

600 is just used because it is 1/2 way between the 2, but experience/observation has always told us the 600 favours the 800 guys more than the 400

the exact racing distance which offers no advantage to either 400 or 800 runners but gives both sets an = chance of winning is :

~ 565m

in similar vein, i get the exact in-between racing distance between 800 & 1500m as

~ 1095m

much more relevant is the exact distance 1500 & 5000m runners shoud meet

3k is one used simply because it's a nice round number somewhere in arithmetic mid-point, but has probably favoured 5k guys over the years albeit hicham/morceli are high on 3k list

the number i get which favours neither ( or equally is ) :

~ 2736

that's 64m short of a 7 lap race or 264m short of current 3k race

'i doubt it

he didn't have enough 400 speed at his 800 best

at best he had 45-high, say 45.7 & with 1'41.7 ->

1'13.07'

I meant the time Solomon did

I have my doubts that Solomon did 1:13 "multiple times in training".

52.43 wrote:

I have my doubts that Solomon did 1:13 "multiple times in training".

probably slight exaggeration there on Grays behalf

ventolin^3 wrote:

gray was a tall, strong guy & very likely had something like close to 45-flat speed at his best ( african-american 800 guys usually have great 400 speed, even if their 400pb isn't great ( don't usually run it in good fields ),

More mathematical certainty from ventolin! Let's review the objective date he is plugging into his calculator:

1) Gray was tall, therefore.....probably fast at 400 (!)

2) Gray was a "strong guy" (?? He was a string bean)

3)He was black, so....musta been faster at 400 than the white 800 guys!

Thanks for the laugh vent, you are always good for a couple chuckles.

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

gray was a tall, strong guy & very likely had something like close to 45-flat speed at his best ( african-american 800 guys usually have great 400 speed, even if their 400pb isn't great ( don't usually run it in good fields ),

More mathematical certainty from ventolin! Let's review the objective date he is plugging into his calculator:

1) Gray was tall, therefore.....probably fast at 400 (!)

2) Gray was a "strong guy" (?? He was a string bean)

3)He was black, so....musta been faster at 400 than the white 800 guys!

Thanks for the laugh vent, you are always good for a couple chuckles.

Yes! objective racial stereotyping...so scientific!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

'i doubt it

he didn't have enough 400 speed at his 800 best

at best he had 45-high, say 45.7 & with 1'41.7 ->

1'13.07'

I meant the time Solomon did

When Coe ran his 1:41.7 WR he ran 3 rd bend wide. Ran about 2m extra, so was worth more like 1:41.4 in Florence. Week before he ran a 45.6 relay leg from stumbling take over and eased up in last few yards. Got to be worth a 45.6 for 400 open. Would have been close to Gray's 600 WR.

Best distance was probably 900m.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

if it was a medal event, i'd expect it to be as "strong" as maybe a 1'41.5 - 1'42.0 ->

1'42.00 = 1'12.14

1'41.50 = 1'11.77

call it ballpark 1'12-flat

Well Solomon certainly made those old time records look good

Coe could have done that time 30 years ago... in training

It's amazing where drugs can get you.

Peer Mediator wrote:When Coe ran his 1:41.7 WR he ran 3 rd bend wide. Ran about 2m extra, so was worth more like 1:41.4 in Florence. Week before he ran a 45.6 relay leg from stumbling take over and eased up in last few yards. Got to be worth a 45.6 for 400 open. Would have been close to Gray's 600 WR.

Best distance was probably 900m.

i was being generous offering him 1'41.7 on that unknown track with dodgy timing

all in, i highly doubt he wouda broken 1'42 in a perfect race on a "known" famous track like a zurich/oslo/brussels/etc

as for his relay leg, he clocked 45.7 which with normal 0.7s conversion is worth 46.4

offer him few tenths for the stumble & it's more like 46-flat

even with a stumble, it was still a flying start

as for best distance, it certainly wasn't 1k, therefore 900m is unlikely

800 was his best distance

i see you offer nothing

listed as 6'4 & 175

for a 800 guy that is huge height & solid weight

even for 400, that height is more than usual & weight just about par

do some research before posting nothing

6'4/175 is pretty damn good for height/wt for a 800 guy

get a clue

afro-american 800 guys aren't running 1500 off 3'30 endurance

if they excel at 800 it's because of great 400 speed

johnny had a 46.3 in '83 when still a 1'45.4 guy

what kinda speed you think at his peak when running 1'42+ ???

here is his peak, an essentially solo-1'42.6 in zurich

as usual, you offer nothing