In the womb wrote:
How old were you when you born?
I can't remember. Things were a bit hazy at the time.
In the womb wrote:
How old were you when you born?
I can't remember. Things were a bit hazy at the time.
Jabe Gennings wrote:
You don't understand. Webb and Cram are the only clean names on that list.
Bernie didn't run a mile in "hot-97"?
To sum up: Alan Webb ran the 2nd fastest mile of the 21st century so far.
Also: Webb is back, baby!
According to the NY Times, the 20th century started on January 1st, 1901 and finished on December 31st, 2000. Alan Webb wins.
Math Major wrote:
First of all, there is a year 0 AD. We don't just skip year 0 when going from BC to AD. If you want to get even more technical than that, we can define year 0 as starting as the Big Bang occured.
I have a BS in Mathematics, so I have taken Algebra and Number Theory. I know a little bit about modular arithmetic. In a ring, Z_n, we starting counting at 0 and go to (n-1). In the case of centuries, n = 100, so we define a year y as being in the range 0 to 99.
Furthermore, ask any computer scientist if they start numbering their elements in arrays at 0 or 1. I'll let you speculate as to what their answer would be.
Another example, military time clocks. We go from 00:00:00 to 23:59:59. There is no 24:00:00, it cycles over at 00:00:00. The first hour is from 00:00:00 to 0:59:59 and so on. The hours are members of the ring Z_24, the minutes and second are members of Z_60.
If we further this analogy to years, we can say the first year in the calendar starts at 01/01/0000AD at 00:00:00. This century ends at 12/31/0099AD at 23:59:59.
To sum up: If you start counting at year 1, what happens to the time period between 01/01/0000AD at 00:00:00 and 12/31/0001AD at 00:00:00? (since you would undoubtedly start the year at 1 second, and not 00:00:00)
There isn't, actually, a year 0. VAcoach is right. Should there be? Probably. Is there? No. Does elementary modular arithmetic tell you anything about how we humans have decided to count years? No. Would the world be a less irritating place if math-oriented people didn't think a small knowledge of their subject conferred a whole lot of knowledge about every other facet of human existence? Definitely.
I will also remind you that the whole point of a cyclic group defined from Z by equivalence classes is that it doesn't matter where you start counting. {1,2,3,4,5} is as acceptable a set of representatives as {0,1,2,3,4} for Z/5Z. Jesus, people.
Sincerely,
A number theorist
Raptured wrote:
According to the NY Times, the 20th century started on January 1st, 1901 and finished on December 31st, 2000. Alan Webb wins.
Alan Webb doesn't win. Look back at the list, numbnuts.
V1per41 wrote:
I've never really understood this argument.
When you are born, you aren't born at age 1, you are 0 years old, and it is year 0 for a full year. Then it is year 1 for the next year.
Not every country starts age at 0. Some do start at 1. Like age, where you decide to end the century is a matter of taste and opinion. Neither choice is inherently incorrect.
Jabe Gennings wrote:
sandybeaver wrote:13 years into the 21st century, guess some people still don't understand the internet. I count at least 1 (up to 3) mark better than Alan Webb.
1 3:43.13 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 07.07.1999
2 3:43.40 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2 Roma 07.07.1999
3 3:44.39 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Rieti 05.09.1993
4 3:44.60 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Nice 16.07.1998
5 3:44.90 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 04.07.1997
6 3:44.95 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 29.06.2001
7 3:45.19 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Zürich 16.08.1995
8 3:45.64 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Berlin 26.08.1997
9 3:45.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 London 05.08.2000
10 3:46.24 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 28.07.2000
11 3:46.32 Steve Cram GBR 14.10.60 1 Oslo 27.07.1985
12 3:46.38 Daniel Komen KEN 17.05.76 2 Berlin 26.08.1997
13 3:46.70 Vénuste Niyongabo BDI 09.12.73 3 Berlin 26.08.1997
14 3:46.76 Saïd Aouita MAR 02.11.59 1 Helsinki 02.07.1987
15 3:46.78 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Berlin 27.08.1993
16 3:46.91 Alan Webb USA 13.01.83 1 Brasschaat 21.07.2007
You don't understand. Webb and Cram are the only WHITE names on that list.
our calendar began from the year 1. this isn't even relevant to the question, since el g ran faster in 2001. webb was the man in 2007 and asked for splits to beat the AR. He could have run quite a bit faster. And had he been going for the AR at 1500m instead, he would have broken 3:29 to beat Lagat's mark. He was an animal that last 100m against Baala in Paris for the 3:30. By late July he had much more in the tank.
spade detector wrote:
Raptured wrote:According to the NY Times, the 20th century started on January 1st, 1901 and finished on December 31st, 2000. Alan Webb wins.
Alan Webb doesn't win. Look back at the list, numbnuts.
Drugcheats don't count.
V1per41 wrote:
The problem is that historians have defined year 0 out of existence.
No, they haven't! It was in Back to the Future, baby! Witness the birth of Christ! December 25 0000!
V1per41 wrote:
When you are born, you aren't born at age 1, you are 0 years old, and it is year 0 for a full year. Then it is year 1 for the next year.
How would you write the year 0 in roman numerals?
Those degenerate hedonists were too inbred to invent 0, so they started their calendar at I.
sandybeaver wrote:
13 years into the 21st century, I count at least 1 (up to 3) mark better than Alan Webb.
6 3:44.95 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 29.06.2001
16 3:46.91 Alan Webb USA 13.01.83 1
Brasschaat 21.07.2007
If the century did start at 1-1-1 it is NOT nor EVER will be "Alan Webb baby!!"
Running Twice Per Year wrote:
VAcoach wrote:Hate to be that guy, but with a phd in history I feel compelled to point out that the year 2000 was part of the 20th century. I know it is technical, but there is one easy way to demonstrate this.
Count to thirteen.
Did any one of you start with the number zero...no. The number one is the first in the series, same as with years, there is no such thing as year zero, therefore 2001 was the first year of the 21st century.
Let the mockery begin.
The guy that pointed out at least one, up to three performances above already made this point in a more subtle way.
Yeah, it was already covered by the 1/3 statement; clearly the poster knows Letsrun well enough to expect a flat-footed nerd attack.
prefan wrote:
Good point, VAcoach. Accuracy and precision matter.
Do they matter enough for you to know the definition of either?
prefan wrote:
Good point, VAcoach. Accuracy and precision matter.
Do they matter enough for you to know the definition of either?