he ran this race in order to make letsrun argue about pointless things. also why webb runs races.
he ran this race in order to make letsrun argue about pointless things. also why webb runs races.
[/quote]Cause he's with Saucony not Nike?[/quote]
Umm...the dude has been sponsoring himself for like the past 2-3 years. Step your game up bro.
Evidently some of you are not familiar with how a course is certified. I have certified multiple courses and when they are certified they are accurate and the correct distance. I was at the Big South and the start/finish was located in the exact location it should be according to the map submitted to USATF. So, it was accurate.
The reason for the fast times is the last mile. 75% of it is downhill and the other 25% is flat, so its fast. The person I was there with ran 17 seconds faster on the last mile than the first mile. The course is probably 20 seconds faster than most good courses. Fam ran 13:55 last year in Wilmington NC to get the state record (and it is recorded as the record) so this course isnt too far off.
A GPS is about as INACCURATE as you can get. i ran with 2 guys the were wearing them and they had different distances. And both were wrong because I had just measured the course with a wheel. So please dont trust a GPS. They are good to use for a good idea of how far you have ran but seldom are the dead on.
Evidently some of you are not familiar with how a course is certified. I have certified multiple courses and when they are certified they are accurate and the correct distance. I was at the Big South and the start/finish was located in the exact location it should be according to the map submitted to USATF. So, it was accurate.
The reason for the fast times is the last mile. 75% of it is downhill and the other 25% is flat, so its fast. The person I was there with ran 17 seconds faster on the last mile than the first mile. The course is probably 20 seconds faster than most good courses. Fam ran 13:55 last year in Wilmington NC to get the state record (and it is recorded as the record) so this course isnt too far off.
A GPS is about as INACCURATE as you can get. i ran with 2 guys the were wearing them and they had different distances. And both were wrong because I had just measured the course with a wheel. So please dont trust a GPS. They are good to use for a good idea of how far you have ran but seldom are the dead on.
FAM is back, baby!!!
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
^Familigiti wrote:Quit posting about yourself Fam...no one cares about that list except you. Keep beating the hobby joggers and try to hold on to your big fish in a small pond status while avoiding any real competition.
Hardloper wrote:
That guy you quoted is clearly anti-Fam. Reading comprehension fail. That's okay, that's pretty standard on LetsRun.
Amazing, right?
^Familigiti's post above is one of the dumbest I've seen here in a while. VERY impressive.
I'm not "anti-Fam". I'm a fan. I think he is a great runner and a great addition to our areas running scene.
But that course is short. Period. Yeah, GPS is not accurate for course measurements. But race directors (and I'm NOT saying Big South's race director is dishonest) aren't always accurate. They do make mistakes and sometimes make changes to the course after their certification. I don't doubt that it could have been measured accurately when it was certified. I'm saying that the certification doesn't mean squat if the race isn't run on the route that was certified. Or maybe the course was measured incorrectly by USATF. But hey, USATF never makes mistakes.
And a LOOP course can't be 75% flat and 25% downhill.
@@@ wrote:And a LOOP course can't be 75% flat and 25% downhill.
I don't know enough about the course to make a comment on whether this is true or not, but the poster said the LAST MILE was 75% downhill and 25% flat, not the entire race. If the course is a 1.55 mile loop (I don't know if it is or not) this can be a possibility. If it is a ~1 mile loop, then obviously that doesn't make sense.
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I'm not "anti-Fam". I'm a fan. I think he is a great runner and a great addition to our areas running scene.
But that course is short. Period. Yeah, GPS is not accurate for course measurements. But race directors (and I'm NOT saying Big South's race director is dishonest) aren't always accurate. They do make mistakes and sometimes make changes to the course after their certification. I don't doubt that it could have been measured accurately when it was certified. I'm saying that the certification doesn't mean squat if the race isn't run on the route that was certified. Or maybe the course was measured incorrectly by USATF. But hey, USATF never makes mistakes.
And a LOOP course can't be 75% flat and 25% downhill.
How do you know the course is short? Have you actually measured it?
He only ran 14:15 3 weeks ago and lost to a 800 meter runner/triple jumper. (Girls got a head start). He was in better shape last year (13:55) at this time.
http://its-go-time.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Ta-Tas-OVERALL-RESULTS.pdf
tinaslate wrote:
Evidently some of you are not familiar with how a course is certified. I have certified multiple courses and when they are certified they are accurate and the correct distance.
And both were wrong because I had just measured the course with a wheel. So please dont trust a GPS. They are good to use for a good idea of how far you have ran but seldom are the dead on.
They aren't certified with a wheel.
Also, GPS almost always measures long. It would be very, very unusual for multiple GPS devices to measure short.
No it doesn't...depending on the course, GPS can cut corners and measure short.
I thought you were USATF certification was legit... but I was wrong.
This past weekend at the des moines 5k (same day as half marathon and marathon) the 5k course was almost a full quarter mile long! 4 of us should have come in under 15:30 but our times show us running mid to upper 16!
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And a LOOP course can't be 75% flat and 25% downhill.
You take poor reading comprehension to a whole new level.
I will take the word of the guy that measured the course over the guy that depends on his GPS.
pieintheface wrote:
He only ran 14:15 3 weeks ago and lost to a 800 meter runner/triple jumper. (Girls got a head start). He was in better shape last year (13:55) at this time.
http://its-go-time.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Ta-Tas-OVERALL-RESULTS.pdf
How does this support the idea that the course was short?
I live in Charlotte. A friend's gps recorded 3.06. Since it is impossible to run the tangents perfectly, a gps should always record long. All I know is everyone who has ever run that course prs. Flam did run a low 14 recently but the race had a snafu with a policeman leading and everyone cut the course. This was the Greek festival. They sent a message to the runners letting them know that.
Don't know if this will work as a hyperlink, but this is the address to a wonderful resource on how GPS works. Measurements can be both long and short depending on the circumstances. It is somewhat technical, but the preface does a good job generalizing the topic. I would never take a GPS watch too seriously, but it would give the best possible estimate for distance in absence of a wheel. Of course it can depend on how much noise is in the air too. Essentially take away message is measurements can be both long and short.
Now lets get back to arguing about Fam!
WHO IS GRAHAM SHORR AND HOW MANY BEERS CAN HE CHUG
To begin with, I did not say I certified any courses with a wheel. Courses are certified with a counter on a bike that has been calibrated between two points on a road that has been measured with a tape. I stated that I measured a course with a wheel and that it was one measurement and two GPS being worn by different people at the same time showed different distances.
Secondly, the course is a loop course(really a circle) but it starts out and goes uphill and then turns. It continues to climb from .4 to .8 miles and then levels out. At about 1.7 miles it makes several turns and heads back toward the finish. It levels out at about 2.7 and then is flat or slightly uphill to the finish. It does not go back the same way it goes out so its completely possible that it has the last mile as 75% downhill. If it was an out and back course it wouldn't be possible but on a loop (really more of a circle course than a loop)course that doesnt loop back on itself then it can be. if you want to see the elevation go to the website bigsouth5K.com
I'm not a fan of Fam or a hater of Fam. I just hate it when folks talk about something they know nothing about. Also, he didn't win the Greekfest in Charlotte this year either. He didnt even run it. His fastest time other than this course is the state record he set last year in Wilmington.
And let me clarify what I mean when I say a "loop" course. By this I am not talking about a course that is 1 mile, 2 miles, etc that just runs multiple loops. I am referring to a course that starts out and runs a route that basically is a circle or just one big loop that makes up the 5K. Basically like a lap on a racetrack or roadcourse.
looks like Webb could give him a good race