hello idiot wrote:
That 3'31.7 was his 2nd race ever over 1500m indoors or out as a professional. I was also at this race. Who cares that you or I was there. That doesnt matter to the race itself yet you say it as if it does .
It was at least his 6th 1500m race as a "professional" - I have most of them on tape. Why are you writing something different?
Btw - I also was in the arena, but as you have said, I also don't think this has a big influence of the value of the performance.
Well this conversation has devolved. I'm sorry for bringing up Geb's #2 indoor 1500 time. My point was never compare it to Lagats PR, but merely to add another layer to Geb's impressive (and very very long) career at the top of the sport.
If you go back and read my post, the "value" of either's 1500 was never in question. So yeah. Stupid argument.
I meant to say 2nd race at 1500m indoors as a professional. Thanks
yes it was a tactical race, Haile did all the phasing during the race. Every time haile slowed down, they did also slow down. So he was forced to run all the race infront.
They started sprinting with 200 meters to go, so it wasn't a long kick.
I saw the race on television, in my country ( Netherlands ).
All that this proves is that long distance running is the new swimming. 1500m, 3000m, 5000m, 10000m, Half and Full Marathon all require a SCRAWNY, void of muscles kinda physique. You can be world class from the short to the long end. But that's also one of the reasons why it's so boring. The elites can duck each other. Yawn.
Not possible in CrossFit or Triathlon. At the end of the season, there is the CrossFit Games or the Ironman WC Hawaii. One event, one winner.
Xfit_guy_the_real_one_1 wrote:
All that this proves is that long distance running is the new swimming. 1500m, 3000m, 5000m, 10000m, Half and Full Marathon all require a SCRAWNY, void of muscles kinda physique. You can be world class from the short to the long end.
Hm. So far very few athletes could compete at a very high level in all of these events.
But maybe it's true that the distances went a little bit closer together in the last years. The top marathoners from the past - say the 1980s - hardly could beat 3:38 in the 1500m during there career (there might have been a few exceptions). But many of the top Kenyans from these days seem to be capable of running very close to 3:35 (some - with a little focus - maybe even 3:33). But most of them definitely are world class over 10000m and probably also over 5000m. This was little different in the past, I would estimate.
said88 wrote:
The top marathoners from the past - say the 1980s - hardly could beat 3:38 in the 1500m during there career (there might have been a few exceptions).
Based on what? Salazar and Dixon could have easily run 3:38. Who do you think couldnt?
This is a fine post indeed, in part because the author gives full recognition to Lagat's greatness.
I might only add that at the world class level, performance can drop off very suddenly and unexpectedly as athletes reach their late thirties. As we compare these two remarkable athletes, we need to remind ourselves that Lagat is about three years younger. It's entirely possible he'll be finished by the time he reaches Geb's age. May they both compete at a high level forever. They are superb athletes, and from whatever I've been able to observe from afar, very fine gentlemen as well.
the 13:29 5 km seems a little slow, take 3 minutes off at least from the 4 mile and probably a little more. Id say maybe 13:15, too bad he wasn't allowed to run in the Olympics would have been cool to see what he could have done. You know he would have at least gave Mo a go since halie is the ultimate gamer.
hello idiot wrote:That 3'31.7 was his 2nd race ever over 1500m indoors or out as a professional. I was also at this race. Who cares that you or I was there. That doesnt matter to the race itself yet you say it as if it does. You are not expert just a dope
moron
wrong race number
me watching it on tv has nothing to do with it other than than tell you about it
you clearly are lying that you saw it as you wouda known how hard he had to run it with a desperate laban trying to catch him
If you really think that he couldnt have run 1.5 seconds faster with a whole career worth(10+ years) of racing the 1500m then you need to retire from posting on this board
idiot
learn to think
that was his peak year of his career & fortunately for him he happened to run a near perfect 1500
he couda spent his career from '92 - '02 as the 5k/10k runner he was & that 3'31.7i wouda been his best
he wouda been running 3'33i most of those other years at best & maybe a 3'32i either side of '98 - like the 3'32 he ran in '97
does your peabrain think mo wouda been running 3'26 if he'd spent the last few years running 1500s ???
Which, given your recklessness and mental state, is something I think you should consider
you offer nothing
As i said before, add some value you a$$hat
moron
you offer nothing
The other day I was eating a turkey leg, and when I ate it all I started gnawing on the cartilage. Even though it won't cause any of my cartilage to regrow, I figured what the hell. Then I studied up on cartilage some.
The most amazing thing about Gebreselassie is that he has yet to have cartilage problems. He's had knee trouble but AFAIK it wasn't degenerative.
Bad Wigins wrote:
The other day I was eating a turkey leg, and when I ate it all I started gnawing on the cartilage. Even though it won't cause any of my cartilage to regrow, I figured what the hell. Then I studied up on cartilage some.
The most amazing thing about Gebreselassie is that he has yet to have cartilage problems. He's had knee trouble but AFAIK it wasn't degenerative.
Why is it amazing that he hasn't had cartilage problems? Is there any good evidence that running causes such problems?
what boggles the mind is that 3:30 1500m guys can run 203.
and maybe moe can run 203 too- in the same calendar year this would change my basic theory about distance running. or should i say i speculated one day that this was possible, with guys like john walker and dixon, but they never got close. then there were the coes, ovetts, el-g, crams, aouita... those guys did nothing at marathon or half.
basically when you can run 26 x 4:40ish miles with no recovery and one in 3"47 or some such, that beast has nothing to do with a guy that can run 4:05 minute mile on a good day with a 2:09 marathon.
what it means is that talented fast runners can run a marathon. in fact the future of the marathon would seem to belong to this new bred. then again canova stated out world record holder probably could not break 4 minute mile.
so obviously it will be some time, if ever this kind of runner is removed from the marathon podiu.
pr100 wrote:
Why is it amazing that he hasn't had cartilage problems? Is there any good evidence that running causes such problems?
They don't call it "swimmer's knee"
Bad Wigins wrote:
pr100 wrote:Why is it amazing that he hasn't had cartilage problems? Is there any good evidence that running causes such problems?
They don't call it "swimmer's knee"
People attribute all sorts of things to activities they have decided they want to avoid. That doesn't mean that there's good evidence.
lllsk wrote:
said88 wrote:The top marathoners from the past - say the 1980s - hardly could beat 3:38 in the 1500m during there career (there might have been a few exceptions).
Based on what? Salazar and Dixon could have easily run 3:38. Who do you think couldnt?
Are you so sure about Salazar? Dixon yes, but I'm sceptical about Salazar.
I also don't think any of the top Japanese Marathoners could even come close to 3:38. And also not the Mexicans.
The Brits like Charlie Spedding or Hugh Jones? I doubt it. Maybe Steve Jones.
Some od the Germans? Waldemar Cierpinski not even close. Maybe Christoph Herle.
I don't think it's so wrong what I have written.
And most of the top Kenyans should - with little concentrating - be able to run 3:35.
Gebrselassie is BACK, BABY!!!
ventolin^3 wrote:
The Single Voice of Reason wrote:Lagat's the second fastest ever at 1500, sure (so is Geb, indoors)a 3'31.7i is not in the same solar system as a 3'26.3
a 62:xx is not in the same galaxy as a 58:xx
said88 wrote:
lllsk wrote:Based on what? Salazar and Dixon could have easily run 3:38. Who do you think couldnt?
Are you so sure about Salazar? Dixon yes, but I'm sceptical about Salazar.
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Salazar ran 13:10 for 5k. Of course he could run 3:38.
lllsk wrote:Salazar ran 13:10 for 5k. Of course he could run 3:38.
sal in '82 ran pbs of 13'11 well behind rono's 13'08 & also 27'25 pretty close to lopes' 27'24 both very close to rono's 27'22wr
he probably had better 10k than 5k & probably in something like 13'10/27'20+ shape that year
a prelim line of fit is
54.3 / 1'53.5 ->
3'41.2
3'58.3
5'00.0
7'40.7
13'10.4
27'23.0
i'm pretty sure he had more to give over 10k relative to 5k, but above suggests he really had very little basic speed but was an endurance monsta
one thing i'm very sure about : he woud never have been close to 3'38 & i very much doubt he wouda broken 3'40