The sad story here is that you think that Carl only was taking cold medicine. Yes...he did take stimulants AND steroids AND HGH.
Undetectable at the time and covered up by corrupt USADA, st the time.
Why would USADA need to cover it up if it were undetectable?
Think much?
Obviously not.
Where have we all heard this before?
crying for you wrote:
The sad story here is that you think that Carl only was taking cold medicine. Yes...he did take stimulants AND steroids AND HGH.
Undetectable at the time and covered up by corrupt USADA, st the time.
Why would USADA need to cover it up if it were undetectable?
Think much?
Obviously not.
He could be saying that Lewis was taking more than one drug, at least one of which was undetectable (speculation), AND that he had positive tests covered up by the authorities (established fact).
if you think Carl was clean you belong with the same group of people that thought Lance was clean...
1 - Carl tested positive for stimulants. Yep we all know they weren't hardcore but it proves he was ok with cheating (yes it was illegal at the time, I always laugh when Carl says its legal now what a joker). Also floyd heard and joe del ouch his teammates tested positive for the same stimulants so carl lewis cold medication excuse is bullshit which also makes him a liar.
2 - Tests went missing in 1984 and don catlin was going crazy because of the "misplaced" tests (there were positives that went missing) He has alluded to the positives being from Carl.
3 - No tests were available for testosterone (unless you were a moron about taking it or HGH, etc etc .
4 - Carl got braces as an adult.
This conversation is so dumb and why people should hate this total manipulative POS douchebag. He absolutely attacked and ruined Ben who was doing the exact same thing as him (except better!) He was just lucky he had the $ and country to cover up his BS (like not disqualify him for testing positive 3 times) and sabotage his competition.
Oh and if you're going to say "well he never tested positive" goes what. Neither did any one else in that race except Ben but 6 out of the 8 were implicated in drug use later in their careers. Oh and also Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong etc etc etc etc etc etc have never tested positive.
Carl Lewis was a doper. But worse yet he is a manipulator and a liar. I hope he stresses out and can't sleep at night because he doesn't deserve it.
if you think Carl was clean you belong with the same group of people that thought Lance was clean...
1 - Carl tested positive for stimulants. Yep we all know they weren't hardcore but it proves he was ok with cheating (yes it was illegal at the time, I always laugh when Carl says its legal now what a joker). Also floyd heard and joe del ouch his teammates tested positive for the same stimulants so carl lewis cold medication excuse is bullshit which also makes him a liar.
2 - Tests went missing in 1984 and don catlin was going crazy because of the "misplaced" tests (there were positives that went missing) He has alluded to the positives being from Carl.
3 - No tests were available for testosterone (unless you were a moron about taking it or HGH, etc etc .
4 - Carl got braces as an adult.
This conversation is so dumb and why people should hate this total manipulative POS douchebag. He absolutely attacked and ruined Ben who was doing the exact same thing as him (except better!) He was just lucky he had the $ and country to cover up his BS (like not disqualify him for testing positive 3 times) and sabotage his competition.
Oh and if you're going to say "well he never tested positive" goes what. Neither did any one else in that race except Ben but 6 out of the 8 were implicated in drug use later in their careers. Oh and also Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong etc etc etc etc etc etc have never tested positive.
Carl Lewis was a doper. But worse yet he is a manipulator and a liar. I hope he stresses out and can't sleep at night because he doesn't deserve it.
John D. Berry wrote:
Yawn.
What Carl did was equivalent to taking a few cups of coffee before a race. If anyone thinks that what he did had as much of an impact as anything Ben Johnson did, they need to get their head examined.
This.
coach d wrote:
Rojo, or whomever you are, tell the WHOLE truth.
By the Wade Exum claims, Carl tested three times for the "stimulants" in......Contac and Sudafed. That's it. He tested positive for cold medicine. Ben Johnson is an Olympic CRIMINAL who singlehandedly put Track and Field into disrepute with his steroid taking. We know that the East Germans cheated like crazy, but it's Ben Johnson's name that everybody knows about. And now Ben is defaming Carl as part of his campaign to get out from under the lifetime ban that he's under for his own actions, not those of Carl.
If you want to claim that pseudoephedrine and whatever it was that was in Contac back then are performance enhancing, you have to explain why those things are LEGAL now when taken by the directions. The people who should be banned for pseudoephedrine are the so-called scientific "experts" that put it on the banned list in the first place, because the presence of maybe the most popular cold medicine on the banned list damaged a large number of athletes.
I agree with you -- and it is very interesting to see you (after all your low class shit) coming out against...defaming.
Carl is pretty much a ridiculous idiot. I'm glad Usain hates him. He is not a smart guy and super insecure.
Does he not watch his own stupid movies and singing? Can't he see that he is fu&*ing terrible?? I can't believe he wants to be a politician, he is on the verge of being clinically retarded he is so dumb.
A Duck wrote:
I'm a low class shit
What's your name, a-hole?
And this is why Ben Johnson is one of my all-time favourite athletes
Canova>God wrote:
Ben Johnson speaks the truth but Lewis is one of the most image obsessed athletes ever so he won't.
And you know he's guilty based on what? The fact that he won gold medals?
You're an idiot.
Carl the doper should be happy Ben's talking about him.
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww223/lock152002/bandmindcarllewis.jpg
This insufferable, American patriotic attitude is the very reason the USA eventually became a laughing stock of drug-free sport and part of the reason why now, a tiny Carribean nation of 2.9 million people routinely whip your a$$es at the track and field events you believe you "own".
If you think for one second that Carl Lewis was "just a little dirty" and to phrase some other idiot of this thread "just taking cough medicene" then I feel very, very sorry for your ignorance and naivety.
What a country and what a nationality, wow.
Oh please, it was exactly like the Jamaicans today. All the fastest runners in the world coming from one little track club (Santa Monica TC). All of them having braces despite good teeth beforehand - classic sign of Human growth hormone. Trading world records between Carl Lewis and Leroy Burrell. At the time I remember hearing from the olympic 4x100m medalist in my track club that Carl had grown an inch or two. None of this is conclusive but a bit of bayesian math gets you pretty close to a definitive conclusion. Let's go through the math:
Lets start withba conservative assumption about then Prior odds carl did serious drugs: 25pct
Odds carl's whole track team would get braces as adults, if they WERE taking HGH: 75pct
Odds they all get braces but not cheating: 10pct
Therefore Posterior prob carl did serious drugs: 71pct
Now we add the next layer.
Odds multiple world record holders in 100m at same track club at same time, given drug use: 30pct
Odds multiple record holders at same club at same time given no drug use: 5pct
Therefore posterior prob that carl did serious drugs: 94pct
We could add his unusual longevity, his late-career improvement, evidence of "lesser" cheating, etc to arrive at a truly damning 99pct plus probability...
dr brown=thyroid
braces= gh
gh+thyroid= boom!
Geb? Morcelli? Guys?
By the Wade Exum claims, Carl tested three times for the "stimulants" in......Contac and Sudafed. That's it. He tested positive for cold medicine.
Or for meth?
Wow. Johnson is still at it. I was wondering what he was up to with the press conference. He should get his head checked. It's been how many years, and he has not moved on?
it would be nice for king carl to splil the beans, that is \"officially\"
charlie francis said that carl told ben after a loss, you out doped me man.
then there is the steroid bust setup where ben tested for the steroid instead of the metabolite. a nasty gangster type setup.
but all of this is old news for anyone that knows anything.
the hundred meters has been a dirty event since the 60\'s period.
no winner has been clean for 40 years.
mennea, borzov \"confessed\". thought the media choose not to jump on the stories. then again when they started it wasn\'t banned. and they sure weren\'t going to quit when the put in the rule = end of career.
at the end of the day, people should just say what they use.
because if you test properly, the lab bills will exceed the revenues, that is if you leave out the olympic games, which is another clusterf.
We know a few things with absolute certainty:
1. Ben Johnson was a drug cheat.
2. Ben Johnson is a pathetic loser who lives in the past and is always trying some stunt to gain attention.
3. There isn't a chance in hell that Johnson would have been a "man" and admitted that he was a cheater if he hadn't been caught in Seoul. He continued to deny cheating even after the positive drug test. It was only when it was clear that other athletes in his camp were prepared to tell the truth that he finally admitted what he had been up to.
Without drugs, Ben Johnson would have run about 10.3 runner.
I don't know if Lewis used PEDs. If he did, I want him to pay for it. I say this as a Canadian - I want Johnson to just go away.
