nah nah wrote:
[quote]killarney wrote:
YOU'RE puzzling. Other than Mo, which of Salazar's guys have not been chasing after fast times?
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All of them except for Cain.
Hasay - yes
Rupp - yes
Centro - yes
Levins - yes
Cain - yes
Ritzenhein - yes
Erdman - yes
dumbass
Bad Wigins wrote:
Mo knows it too, and that's why he is not going to try. It would save everyone a lot of trouble if he would just publicly say he can't run a WR and have done with it.
This. Imagine if he tried and only ran 12:49. Not only would he be a failure, his competitors would know exactly how to beat him.
Hardloper wrote:
nah nah wrote:[quote]killarney wrote:
YOU'RE puzzling. Other than Mo, which of Salazar's guys have not been chasing after fast times?
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All of them except for Cain.
Hasay - yes
Rupp - yes
Centro - yes
Levins - yes
Cain - yes
Ritzenhein - yes
Erdman - yes
dumbass
When did any of them go for fast times?
Are you saying that Alamirew and Gebriwhet don't try time trialing to beat Farah because they're not sure exactly how fit he is? And that if he ran "only" a 12:49 in an all-out effort they would suddenly say "Aha! NOW we know how to beat him," and run hard from the gun.
Ridiculous.
They already knew he was good for 3:28, if that didn't get them to change they're race strategy why on Earth would a 12:49 (2 seconds under this year's WL)?
ruserious wrote:
They already knew he was good for 3:28, if that didn't get them to change they're race strategy why on Earth would a 12:49 (2 seconds under this year's WL)?
Because they can both can run faster than 12:49 or at least Farah's kick would be neutralized in anything under 12:55.
Bad Wigins wrote:
New name, same ignorant jerk-off. 1500 "endurance" is not the same as 5000 "endurance," as I've explained to you before.
The 5000 kind involves coasting on the aerobic component, maintaining high speed without using lactogenic power. This means deliberately training not to use type 2a muscle at top speed, because it always generates acidity when used. People confuse this for a "higher lactate threshold," but it has nothing to do with clearing acid, only with generating less.
A sit-and-kick 5000 runner who runs a fast 1500 is doing the exact opposite, training to use type 2a more and type 1 less at top speed. You can't train optimally for both at the same time. Mo uses too much type 2a at sub-13 pace to maintain it for more than a few laps. That's why he failed to break 13 this year.
Geb obviously knows all this and is taunting Mo. It would take him a year to reverse his training and get back into sub-13 shape, and even then, 12:37 is out of the question. 7:20 is in an even higher orbit.
Mo knows it too, and that's why he is not going to try. It would save everyone a lot of trouble if he would just publicly say he can't run a WR and have done with it.
moron
a 60'10 half-marathon with a blazing last 400 is not indicative of bad endurance
idiot
do not doubt
imbecile
we've been thru this. you have no credibility
learn
the hard facts wrote:
moron
a 60'10 half-marathon with a blazing last 400 is not indicative of bad endurance
idiot
do not doubt
imbecile
we've been thru this. you have no credibility
learn
It wasn't a blazing last 400. It was only a 58 or 59 second last 400m. Was it also downhill? That indicates that this was close to Farah's max ability today and shows that he is not in sub27 minute shape. That is bad endurance.
cdfv wrote:
It wasn't a blazing last 400. It was only a 58 or 59 second last 400m. Was it also downhill? That indicates that this was close to Farah's max ability today and shows that he is not in sub27 minute shape. That is bad endurance.
fu.cking idiot
"Only a 58 or 59 second last 400"
This is a half-marathon you imbecile, not a 1500
Close to his max would be maintaining pace
i.e., running a 69 last 400 (the pace of the race until then)
It was cold & windy as well
moron
get that thru your head
"That is bad endurance"
Yes, nothing says bad endurance like double gold at 5000 & 10,000m at the world championships, a 3'28 1500 AND a 60'10 half with blazing last 400 in cold, windy conditions IN THE SAME SEASON
fu.cking imbecile
the hard facts wrote:
cdfv wrote:It wasn't a blazing last 400. It was only a 58 or 59 second last 400m. Was it also downhill? That indicates that this was close to Farah's max ability today and shows that he is not in sub27 minute shape. That is bad endurance.
fu.cking idiot
"Only a 58 or 59 second last 400"
This is a half-marathon you imbecile, not a 1500
Close to his max would be maintaining pace
i.e., running a 69 last 400 (the pace of the race until then)
It was cold & windy as well
moron
get that thru your head
"That is bad endurance"
Yes, nothing says bad endurance like double gold at 5000 & 10,000m at the world championships, a 3'28 1500 AND a 60'10 half with blazing last 400 in cold, windy conditions IN THE SAME SEASON
fu.cking imbecile
He got double gold by running 27:30 and 13:30. Neither of those times indicate good endurance. A 3:28 1500 doesn't necessarily indicate good endurance. It could be done off of good speed and ok endurance. A 60:10 half certainly doesn't indicate good endurance. And you know it. None of those performances say good endurance.
Use any calculator out there and see what 10k time a 60:10 is worth. Farah is a speed kicker. He does not have great endurance. Maybe in Daegu. But not anymore. He gave that up for speed.
cdfv wrote:
He got double gold by running 27:30 and 13:30. Neither of those times indicate good endurance.
idiot
he ran as fast as he needed to win
and did so
in 4 championship finals in a row
imbecile
A 3:28 1500 doesn't necessarily indicate good endurance. It could be done off of good speed and ok endurance.
"good speed and ok endurance"
moron
he is the 6th fastest EVER at the distance
His speed/endurance profile is better than good / ok
idiot
A 60:10 half certainly doesn't indicate good endurance.
imbecile
go fetch me half-marathon PRs of every sub 3'30 1500m runner
moron
And you know it. None of those performances say good endurance.
idiot
what part of your pea brain doesn't comprehend 3'28 & 60'10 IN THE SAME SEASON
fu.cking imbecile
Use any calculator out there and see what 10k time a 60:10 is worth. Farah is a speed kicker. He does not have great endurance. Maybe in Daegu. But not anymore. He gave that up for speed.
moron
It takes massive endurance to run 3'28 off of 50 sec 400 speed.
learn
idiot
Ventolin
Why can't you accept the possibility that Farah has better than 50 second 400 speed??? Do you think 400 speed is impossible to improve or change?
None of the points you just made mean anything. A 60:10 half marathon is NOT good endurance. Use your calculator. Use any calculator and see what 10k time 60:10 is worth.
And simply winning those championships doesn't automatically mean he has good endurance. They've ALL been the same type of race. Sit and kick. Sit and kick. Sit and kick.
3:28 and 60:10 in the same season is only impressive because no one else has tried. Not because it's exceptional. 60:10 should be routine for an endurance based 1500m runner. If Farah had good endurance, he would have run under 59:00 today. That's what a 26:45 is equal to.
cdfv wrote:
Ventolin
Why can't you accept the possibility that Farah has better than 50 second 400 speed??? Do you think 400 speed is impossible to improve or change?
None of the points you just made mean anything. A 60:10 half marathon is NOT good endurance. Use your calculator. Use any calculator and see what 10k time 60:10 is worth.
And simply winning those championships doesn't automatically mean he has good endurance. They've ALL been the same type of race. Sit and kick. Sit and kick. Sit and kick.
3:28 and 60:10 in the same season is only impressive because no one else has tried. Not because it's exceptional. 60:10 should be routine for an endurance based 1500m runner. If Farah had good endurance, he would have run under 59:00 today. That's what a 26:45 is equal to.
Only 10 people in history have run under 59 minutes for the half-marathon.
At least 1 of which tested positive for steroids.
Does that mean only 9 people in history have good endurance?
Ryan Hall ran 59:43. Does that mean he does not have good endurance?
You really have some bizarre perception of what good endurance is. El Guerrouj had better endurance than any runner that raced the 1500 as their main event. He would not have run under 27 minutes. And he would not have run anywhere near 60 minutes for the half, let alone under 59 minutes (which you suggest is the benchmark for "good endurance").
But don't take my word for it. Perhaps you will instead listen to Renato Canova. Maybe you've heard of him?!?
Renato Canova wrote:
"Don't think the real value of Mo is 12'53". He ran already 12'57" in 2010, when we worked together for some month in Iten, in Zurich, and now is very much stronger, after going to Salazar. To think can run near 12'40" is something reasonable, such as the possibility of running under 26'30" in 10000m."
Renato posted that after Mo ran 3'28 this year. He seems to understand that Mo has tremendous endurance to run 3'28.high with such limited speed. Same as Komen running 3'29 with limited speed or Geb running 3'31 indoors.
Bad Wigins wrote:Mo uses too much type 2a at sub-13 pace to maintain it for more than a few laps. That's why he failed to break 13 this year
seriously
you are a real fool
you must be the one athletics follower on this planet who thinks mo coudn't have run sub-13 this year if he had wanted to
impress everyone
if mo had run a fast-paced 5k instead of a 1500 that day & he had really gone for the clock, what 5k time do you think he wouda run ???
the hard facts wrote:
No
You need massive endurance to run 3'28 with 50 second 400 speed (farah). Think Daniel Komen esque endurance.
His endurance is not as good as Bekele's was as I said and thus the 10k record is beyond him but his superior speed combined with still very good endurance makes the 3k/5k WRs very much within his range.
Rupp is worse than last year likely because of an undisclosed injury. Farah is better than last year.
Hey Ventolin, how goes? You always give yourself away with your use of 'imbecile', etc.
Anyway, as usual, your 'analysis' is a joke. Farah wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell to hit the 3k or 5k WRs. That, very simply, is why he never gives it a go (and never will).
another heavy thinker i see
impress us
what is more likely for an elite 5k/10k guy
- threaten the 3k/5k wr ( meaning say 7'21/7'22 or 12'40 )
or
- run 3'28
???
All we know is Farah ran one fast race. Don't give him other times with a calculator. Or you can tell us again how Geoffrey Mutai would break the world record in the 10000. Or u can give away more 26:20s to half marathoners and marathoners with 'talent' you approve of.
ventolin^3 wrote:
another heavy thinker i see
impress us
what is more likely for an elite 5k/10k guy
- threaten the 3k/5k wr ( meaning say 7'21/7'22 or 12'40 )
or
- run 3'28
???
Yup, yup wrote:All we know is Farah ran one fast race. Don't give him other times with a calculator. Or you can tell us again how Geoffrey Mutai would break the world record in the 10000. Or u can give away more 26:20s to half marathoners and marathoners with 'talent' you approve of
eh ???
did you see what priscilla of M training just did to the best two 10k women in the world ???
did you read about what 10k split she put in in that race ???
geoff is a better runner at his peak than her