When I watched the 10,000 on BBC they were saying something along the lines of "and Mo's got his teammate right where he wants him to be to protect him on the outside" bla bla.
Someone needs to remind Rupp that in the world championships and Olympics, Mo is not his friend, he is is competitor.
LCL wrote:
maliceious wrote:You really need to take a lie detector test, or else you are the stupidest sob who ever lived. Americans win medals every Olympics they participate in. Damn.
Are you really lacking that much common sense that you couldn't work out he was talking about just the 10000m? There is some amount of idiots on here but you might take the biscuit.
Yeah, well, of course I knew what you meant, but I am tired of your lies.
Rupp probably doesn't have the brainpower for any critical thinking. He's as gullible as any mormon.
Doping aside, my sense is that Salazar has done a GREAT job with the talent level that Rupp possesses. He just doesn't have the same talent level as Farah, which should be fairly obvious by now.
For Cain though...that coach our womens' silver (and gold) medalist in the 1500 has. I hear he's pretty good. And the coach our potential 800m medalist (Brenda) has...he's pretty good, too.
A Duck wrote:
If you know the history, Rupp had reached a point where he had no training partner that could keep up with him in all workouts.
Brendon Foster asked Alberto to consider training Mo whom British athletes thought was under performing for his talent.
Alberto asked Galen what he thought, they discussed it and agreed that it would be good to have a training partner that could not only stay with him, but share the work, and also pull him along.
The result was the first American medal in the Olympics in 48 freaking years.
This is a thought I wish you would have considered before you started a thread knocking Nick Symmonds' race strategy thirty seconds before he won a silver medal in the 800.
So, no, the idea was not stupid. It worked out for both of them.
It's pretty unlikely that without Mo, Rupp wins silver or gold last year.
Mo's just better at this point, and if Rupp ever does contend for the wins in these things, it will be because he passed through these stages on the way up.
Most runners lose most of their races most of the time on the world stage.
Maybe this is true, maybe it's not. What I don't understand is why every decision made by ever other runner and coach can be picked apart in infinitesimal detail (Jager should race more, Symmonds went out too fast) whereas everything that AlSal does is the absolute most brilliant possible decision that could have been made. Frankly, I'm surprised you don't think more of Rupp. Do you really think that if AlSal and Mo retired tomorrow that Rupp would be lost at sea? I'm guessing you could throw him in a training group with Evan Jager or Bernard Lagat or Ryan Hill and he would be absolutely fine.
Did Mo even run indoors? Why did Galen run and Mo didn't. Seems Mo took the down time, enjoyed his twin, ran a few road races and then started training. Galen never stopped. Why did Sal choose 2 different paths for these 2?
coach d wrote:
Doping aside, my sense is that Salazar has done a GREAT job with the talent level that Rupp possesses. He just doesn't have the same talent level as Farah, which should be fairly obvious by now.
For Cain though...that coach our womens' silver (and gold) medalist in the 1500 has. I hear he's pretty good. And the coach our potential 800m medalist (Brenda) has...he's pretty good, too.
Hey, coach: I'd be happy to teach you how to give a compliment without taking a dig.
Doping should never be aside. Out with drug cheats.
coach d wrote:
Doping aside, my sense is that Salazar has done a GREAT job with the talent level that Rupp possesses. He just doesn't have the same talent level as Farah, which should be fairly obvious by now.
This might be true, but Rupp is 3 years younger than Farah. It's unlikely he could achieve what Farah did in the last 3 years -- who could?, but see what he achieves by the time he's Farah's age now.
Even now, Rupp has achieved more than any US 10k runner since Billy MIlls. That's saying a lot.
A Duck wrote:
As for the coat tail accolade, no, he had to run every step of that race and be there on the day to take that medal.
I was probably too harsh with the coat tail comment. Rupp had excellent positioning at the bell and a phenomenal last lap in London. The difference is that Mo has sustained his performance, whereas Rupp has spent much of the year getting dropped after the bell.
What critique will Galen have of himself, his coach, and their training plan? Has the novelty and added benefit of training with and racing beside Mo Farah, the world's best, worn off?
Observationalist wrote:
A Duck wrote:As for the coat tail accolade, no, he had to run every step of that race and be there on the day to take that medal.
I was probably too harsh with the coat tail comment. Rupp had excellent positioning at the bell and a phenomenal last lap in London. The difference is that Mo has sustained his performance, whereas Rupp has spent much of the year getting dropped after the bell.
What critique will Galen have of himself, his coach, and their training plan? Has the novelty and added benefit of training with and racing beside Mo Farah, the world's best, worn off?
I don't think they've been on the same training plan as much this year. Perhaps Galen overdid the physical intesity this year. Maybe that will pay off later. Maybe he's forcing it mentally. Maybe he just wants it too bad now and needs to relax just a bit. Mo is pretty calm most of the time and doesn't get too tight in races.
There have been seasons like this in the past for Rupp and he figured it out and launched onward. He's a bit like stock in a strong bull market. Trajects up, then corrects a little, maybe a little backing and filling and then up and away again, repeat, repeat.
Didn't he have a relatively ho-hum summer one year prior to going 26:48?
Bleu wrote:
Did Mo even run indoors? Why did Galen run and Mo didn't. Seems Mo took the down time, enjoyed his twin, ran a few road races and then started training. Galen never stopped. Why did Sal choose 2 different paths for these 2?
A salient observation.
Poor Galen Rupp, I hope he never comes to these boards, he seems like a sensitive guy and all the "he's Farah's side kick" talk is so disrespectful to him.
Duck,
I disagree that Rupp's progress and success in the last 2 years would have been impossible without Farah pushing him in training. I could even make the argument that having training partners makes it mentally easier to complete workouts and doing them solo makes you tougher.
So Rupp didn't have anyone who could stay with him? Big deal, keep plugging away at it. Rupp was on a steady line of improvement, it's not like he had to throw a wrench into things. Now it's mental between him and Farah, like the lesser bowing to the greater.
So at what point in training is Mo running comfortable and Rupp stressing? It might not happen everday, but those few times where Rupp is pressing and Mo isn't has to add up over time and leaves Rupp a little overworked. I would want my coach to cut ties with the competition at some point because there is no guarantee that Mo will move up to the marathon soon. If he's still dominating the track in 2015, why run the marathon in Rio?
Insiders claim there is friction between the two, so this post is not all that off. Time will tell.
Worddddd wrote:
I would want my coach to cut ties with the competition at some point...
This is my view as well. Galen has been "all in" with Salazar from the beginning.
Imagine an Ad firm has both Pepsi and Coke as clients. Pepsi has been with the firm from the beginning. In ten years they do well with the company and products, but they're still not hitting the dreams they pitched. All of a sudden the firm picks up Coke and, seemingly overnight, serves up all of Pepsi's dreams right to Coke--on a gold platter.
Is Pepsi pissed? Do they feel mismanaged? Is Coke just a superior product? Does the firm end up giving more attention to Coke? Are the stories told at parties now only about Coke?
Galen Rupp is human and bound to deal with these emotions. He's gone from being Salazar's stallion to Salazar's stallion's training partner. Maybe this will light a fire underneath him to bring about some change, whatever that may be...
The BBC commentators treat him like a white Tonto. It's annoying. I hope he beats Mo in Rio in 2016 (assuming they both run the 10).
Imagine an Ad firm has both Pepsi and Coke as clients. Pepsi has been with the firm from the beginning. In ten years they do well with the company and products, but they're still not hitting the dreams they pitched. All of a sudden the firm picks up Coke and, seemingly overnight, serves up all of Pepsi's dreams right to Coke--on a gold platter.
Is Pepsi pissed? Do they feel mismanaged? Is Coke just a superior product? Does the firm end up giving more attention to Coke? Are the stories told at parties now only about Coke?
Galen Rupp is human and bound to deal with these emotions. He's gone from being Salazar's stallion to Salazar's stallion's training partner. Maybe this will light a fire underneath him to bring about some change, whatever that may be...
Actually this has already happened ;
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/28/business/media/omnicom-and-publicis-are-said-to-merge.html?_r=0The marriage would bring under one roof separate networks of ad agencies — including BBDO, TBWA and DDB under Omnicom, and Leo Burnett and Saatchi & Saatchi under Publicis. Collectively, the conglomerates represent some of the world’s largest brands including AT&T, Visa and Pepsi at Omnicom and McDonald’s, Coca-Cola and Wal-Mart at Publicis. How the agencies would handle potential conflicts is expected to be addressed by the companies on Sunday.
Rupp owes everything he has to Salazar, including his Nike contract. Rupp strikes me as someone who is aware of that and would not let his ego destroy that relationship and damage his career. He will stay with Salazar until he retires regardless of his racing results.