Paris 1500m

not a tard wrote:

dsuud wrote:

I'm sure Lagat still has a 3:32 still in him.

He hasn't broken 3:32 since 2006.

He hasn't needed to since 2004

Since Leo and Lopez now have the "A" standard, doubt we will see too much in terms of fast race times before Moscow. All of these guys: Centro, Lagat, Manzano, Lomong, Rupp, etc. will practice on certain elements of the race in the upcoming Diamond league meets. Lagat was likely working on a fixed pace (i.e. 57s) and didn't want to risk anything in the way of an injury.

Congratulations to all these fine runners.

Great race, nice times..US got the A's but can Leo get a contract now?? Beating out Centro and Lomong has to be worth a little cash..He is peaking at the right time..Like always

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzvOvRfOz1w

captain crunk wrote:

I don't know why people assume Lagat could still pull something so fast. His last 1600m was a 3:55 which corresponds to a 3:40 1500m. He only ran 3:34 last year. If he can run a 3:32 it would only happen off of pure 1500m training not his current regiment. .

His training is a collection of soldiers?

haha wrote:

Only a 57 last lap. Kind of disappointing

Did anyone catch Manzano's last lap split?

The pack came in at 2:36.9 and Manzano passed the line at 2:38.0. The pacer crossed the line at 2:34.8 or so. My guess is that Manzano's last lap was about a 55.1, which means that the winner's lap was about 55.7.

the highlander wrote:

they went out at 53 and 1:50 lol a little ambitious there

Where do they get these idiots to do the pacing

Honestly they really are morons - its not that hard!

No need to insult these pacers, calling them idiots and other demeaning terms. You realize they are new on the circuit and do not have experience as pacers. Furthermore, meet organizers instruct them to hit certain splits and that is what they should focus on after all its meet organizers who pay them. I realize though that the pace was a little erratic but then you wonder if these organizers prepare them both mentally and physically for the pacing duties. It is not just as simple as pulling a 1:46/3:35 runner and get them down to pace. Preparation is a must for them to do a good job. Look for example Matthew Scherer in the 800m, Vincent Ronoh in the 3000m/5000m/10000m and Haron Lagat. These are guys who have specialized as pacers and rarely disappoint.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

the highlander wrote:

they went out at 53 and 1:50 lol a little ambitious there

Where do they get these idiots to do the pacing

Honestly they really are morons - its not that hard!

Kapcherop wrote:

No need to insult these pacers, calling them idiots and other demeaning terms. You realize they are new on the circuit and do not have experience as pacers. Furthermore, meet organizers instruct them to hit certain splits and that is what they should focus on after all its meet organizers who pay them. I realize though that the pace was a little erratic but then you wonder if these organizers prepare them both mentally and physically for the pacing duties. It is not just as simple as pulling a 1:46/3:35 runner and get them down to pace. Preparation is a must for them to do a good job. Look for example Matthew Scherer in the 800m, Vincent Ronoh in the 3000m/5000m/10000m and Haron Lagat. These are guys who have specialized as pacers and rarely disappoint.

+1 .. and the pacers in the steeple nailed their splits, as did the women's 800m.

'No need to insult these pacers, calling them idiots and other demeaning terms. You realize they are new on the circuit and do not have experience as pacers.'

Then why are they employed?

Any club runner should have the experience hit times requested. I doubt they asked them to go through in 1:50 even if they did that's 55 a lap not what they did

After 30 years watching these pacers, who are better paid than half the athletes, ruin countless races- idiots is an appropriate word

The good thing about Manzano not being sponsored is that he is wearing a different uniform than all those Nike guys and you can spot him more easily.

I never noticed Lagat and could barely track Lomong. Suleiman and the second placed had the same light blue singlet as well. Though, Centro had a dark uniform. Wonder why.

Uhhh, did you ever think that Manzano might be easy to spot since he is a foot shorter than anyone else in the race.

I couldn't tell shyt between the choppy stream and the French announcers. I did finally id Manzano coming down the last 100.

God job in the women's 5000 as well - 6 lps at 69's? at least from the little amount of the race we actually got to see!!

dsuud wrote:

fly like an eagle wrote:

Lagat is showing his age - that used to be a normal pace for him following El G.

I disagree. This is the typical under distance effort by Lagat. He used to run equally as weak 800s during his 1500m peak days. It was probably just a rust buster or a workout.

Also consider that he closed in almost 3:36 at nationals. I'm sure Lagat still has a 3:32 still in him.

Lagat does not bust rust.

fly like an eagle wrote:

God job in the women's 5000 as well - 6 lps at 69's? at least from the little amount of the race we actually got to see!!

:) I know, right .. about 4-5 laps in all, wasn't it?

Yes, they did a great job there; 69 on the money for the first lap, iirc.

I don't know why people assume Lagat could still pull something so fast. His last 1600m was a 3:55 which corresponds to a 3:40 1500m. He only ran 3:34 last year. If he can run a 3:32 it would only happen off of pure 1500m training not his current regiment. I know a lot of people say because he beat Rupp who ran that 3:50 indoor mile then he should be able to close faster than him in a straight 1500m. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Rupp was basically only training for the 1500/3000m and couldn't actually run something that fast at the moment, kind of how like Geb ran 3:31 indoors but slower outdoors. That being said, Lagat was near the leaders at the first lap which was far too fast for him in 53.6 or so and that probably burned him out. This makes sense because Manzano and Lalang held back early and then caught back up with the leaders by the end.

He "only" ran 3:34 last year because that race went out in 1:57 and closed in 53. Also he won that race and out-kicked Ayanleh Souleimon, who won this race. So I definitely would say he's still capable of the 3:32 3:33 range.