Cain has already taken AP Fun but does not want to major in that discipline.
Cain has already taken AP Fun but does not want to major in that discipline.
FM wrote:
The article also mentioned this -
She avoids track-website message boards, which can be vicious and are demographically disconnected from her world. "All those old men [critiquing her]," she says.
Good for her, very smart.
Realism wrote:
the lifelong value of a Harvard degree cannot be understated
If running doesn't work out she can command six figures pretty much anywhere she wants, she's a smart girl.
this is so stupid I can't even say how much. I'll try: a giant pile of stupidity on top of a roast of cynicism.
her goal is to medal in the Olympics not make a paltry salary as a professional runner. She is already a bright rich girl.
FM wrote:
In the Sports Illustrated article they mention that the Cains want to keep all options open at this point. The article quotes Allyson Felix who said that she felt like she missed out on the college experience by running pro while attending college.
Keeping the options open makes sense but I can't see where it makes any sense at all for her to run in NCAA. She is already a better Mid-D runner than anybody there.
I agree that it makes little sense for her to run in the NCAA - she's already beyond that. Keeping options open is smart. It's not like young runners are signing multi-million dollar contracts like athletes in the three major sports, and even less $$ for females.
Also, consider that one major injury could derail her stunning rise and we all know that sometimes athletes never recover mentally from a serious injury.
Anyone who doesn't think the long-term value of a Stanford or Harvard degree is more valuable than say, Oregon, is ignoring both the data and reality. Prestige still opens doors, and developing networks and relationships as an undergrad often lead to significant opportunities down the road.
DC Trainer wrote:
Anyone who doesn't think the long-term value of a Stanford or Harvard degree is more valuable than say, Oregon, is ignoring both the data and reality. Prestige still opens doors, and developing networks and relationships as an undergrad often lead to significant opportunities down the road.
this is a very frustrating argument for me. A top end degree helps you get your first job. it can help in certain professions, like comedy writing and investment banking. it can help get into a good grad school.
But this nutty concept that an ivy degree sets you up for life is nonsense. I am an officer of my Ivy league class. We are in our prime earning years. There is so much failure and mediocrity - lots of success too - but for most people a degree is just a degree and it is what you do with it after that makes all the difference. An ivy degree sure didn't help me at all. but I am doing well from hard work and a great marriage.
Studies show that people who end up successful would have ended up successful wherever they went to college. They have tracked people who turn down ivy school and go to state schools instead...and guess what...no material difference in outcomes.
Realism wrote:
the lifelong value of a Harvard degree cannot be understated
If running doesn't work out she can command six figures pretty much anywhere she wants, she's a smart girl.
I've worked with people that went to Harvard. The only thing they command is an ungodly amount of arrogance.
Two of them are commanding an unemployment check right now.
Realism wrote:
the lifelong value of a Harvard degree cannot be understated
If running doesn't work out she can command six figures pretty much anywhere she wants, she's a smart girl.
agip wrote:
this is so stupid I can't even say how much. I'll try: a giant pile of stupidity on top of a roast of cynicism.
+1
This is one of the dumbest posts yet. Realism, are you 15?
If she runs in the NCAA it'll be at UO. Otherwise she's going to attend either UP or Portland State part time while training with Alberto.
I really can't imagine her not cashing in now. Skipping even one year of $500,000+ is a very bad business decision.
thruckerd wrote:
An ivy degree sure didn't help me at all.
What have you done since graduation?
Yes, training partners. I think it's an excellent idea for Cain, especially as a freshman, to get fully immersed in the school of her choice. And in track, Salazar willing, Cain could work on speed by running 400s in relays. That would be good for her as an athlete but also give her a way of lightening up. Were Cain, as a freshman, to separate herself as a pro might lead to regrets. FIRST, run for the school for a year while also entering open races. It does not have to be a four year commitment.
Realism wrote:
the lifelong value of a Harvard degree cannot be understated
If running doesn't work out she can command six figures pretty much anywhere she wants, she's a smart girl.
I know three people who have Harvard degrees, none younger than fifty and none of them have ever earned a six figure salary.
Stupid comment of the day winner !
The kid is from back east , knows the weather and maybe you haven't heard that US marathoning in its best and brightest days was out of Boston.
Agreed on Stanford.
Biggest question will be is she going to run for the school she attends ?
If not then none of the this head line banter means anything.
might be wejo wrote:
thruckerd wrote:An ivy degree sure didn't help me at all.
What have you done since graduation?
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straight to grad school in humanities from college - stopped at MA.
worked retail mgmt much of my 20s
3rd rate MBA from state school when I hit late 20s
have worked in investment management in my 30s and 40s - finally found some medium success.
The only thing my ivy degree helped with was a fully funded MA degree - my college prof helped make that happen. After that - zero.
On the other hand, my wife has degrees (ba and jd) from state U and has had fabulous success from day one. She has a much better work ethic than I do.
She can go pro and pay 40k/year for tuition and be mostly on her own when she's only 18, or she can go to college on a full ride to any university she wants, get a great education, get a great supporting group of friends and coaching staff, and go pro later when she's more matured. It'd be weird considering how talented she is, but it would be good for her overall development.
Realism wrote:
the lifelong value of a Harvard degree cannot be understated
Yes it can.
my view as a parent of a kid around train's age:
I think she will run for college her freshman year, unless she matures a lot mentally over the next year. You can tell from interviews that she is just a kid and not ready to work for a living. She wants to be on a team, have peers, and not be thrown to the wolves yet. If she went pro and had to perform in good and bad times...I don't see her has the type of person yet who would succeed at that.
A freshman year on a college track team would be a good transition.
Sure she could go to college and not run for the team, but I just see her needing some coddling and group membership that a team gives.
And her family isn't poor so they don't need her earnings.
but maybe over her sr year in hs she will grow up a lot.
All these guys who got rejected by Ivy League schools are all butthurt that people actually consider them to be the best schools in the world. Why would you ever turn down an opportunity to go to them?
too bad she is not a year older. If she was going to be a college freshman this fall it would work out great. Go to a great school and do the track thing but somewhat sapringly. Next year is 2014 aka the dark year for global chanmpionships. No reason to hold back for USA or Olympics/Worlds. Then in 2014/15 she gets ready for Worlds
As it is she would be a freshman in the 2015 worlds cycle. too bad.