[quote]Confused Briton wrote:
This move has been the biggest no-brainer in track for about five years. The only question is why he didn't see it sooner, although I understand from sources close to JW he simply felt that he had unfinished business at 400m.
Prepare to see national and WR books rewritten. Dude can basically JOG 51 and come back the same for another lap, maybe even with a slight kick!!!
[quote]Ylwl wrote:
Not true.
I'm not as much up on IAAF rules as NCAA, but I believe to cash in her free pass, Jenny doesn't even have to finish...but she has to start.
Remember, this is DES MOINES, where they are running the womens 5000 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AFTERNOON on Sunday WITH A PREDICTED HIGH OF 91F and 75% humidity.
How many of you in this thread would want to run a Championship 5000 in that weather? If I had to run the whole thing, I certainly wouldn't scratch from an 800.
You are really confused if you believed that was true.
Confused Briton wrote:
This move has been the biggest no-brainer in track for about five years. The only question is why he didn't see it sooner, although I understand from sources close to JW he simply felt that he had unfinished business at 400m.
Prepare to see national and WR books rewritten. Dude can basically JOG 51 and come back the same for another lap, maybe even with a slight kick!!!
Ylwl wrote:Wariner just entered the 800m.
Ylwl wrote:
Wariner just entered the 800m.
this is false - he is declared for the 400, not entered in the 800.
Not sure why scratching the 1500 is some great revelation, although I though she would run the 800m for training. This has me thinking she might run the 5K at the WC, I can't imagine her doubling.
coach d wrote:
I'm not as much up on IAAF rules as NCAA, but I believe to cash in her free pass, Jenny doesn't even have to finish...but she has to start.
This was my understanding too -- that she had to at least start a prelim round of the 1500 at nationals to get the bye. But I just assume she has smart people around her who know the rules, and I must have been mistaken..
sanchobaile wrote:
coach d wrote:I'm not as much up on IAAF rules as NCAA, but I believe to cash in her free pass, Jenny doesn't even have to finish...but she has to start.
This was my understanding too -- that she had to at least start a prelim round of the 1500 at nationals to get the bye. But I just assume she has smart people around her who know the rules, and I must have been mistaken..
For IAAF rules she does not have to do anything. She is already in if our federation chooses to name her. USATF has established that she has to compete at nationals if she wants to be named to the team. This can be in any event. I do not know if she has to finish a round to be named to the team or if starting is enough.
I am pretty sure starting is enough.
Lagat ran the 800 at USATF in 2009. He didn't qualify to get in they just let him run it.
I forget the actual results, but I believe he qualified for the next round but then didn't declare for that race - just dropped out of the meet.
Then he went on to run the 1500 and 5000 at WC's as the defending champion in both events.
Tyson Gay ran one round of the 100 and then dropped from the meet and went on to run the 100 and 200 at WC's.
* wrote:
I am pretty sure starting is enough.
Lagat ran the 800 at USATF in 2009. He didn't qualify to get in they just let him run it.
I forget the actual results, but I believe he qualified for the next round but then didn't declare for that race - just dropped out of the meet.
Then he went on to run the 1500 and 5000 at WC's as the defending champion in both events.
Tyson Gay ran one round of the 100 and then dropped from the meet and went on to run the 100 and 200 at WC's.
Those guys completed A round. Since the 5000 is a final only, I don't know if she has to complete that round or not.
They can do whatever they want.
I can't imagine USA not sending Jenny to WC's in the 1500 if she DNF's in the 5000.
The whole fact that they make them compete at all in this meet is a farce.
They just want to be able to put their name in the program.
They get that if she lines up and drops out.
everyone seems to be moving around events so they can have a better chance of qualifying at usa's but then will get crushed at worlds. bummer.
wombat ^ wrote:
everyone seems to be moving around events so they can have a better chance of qualifying at usa's but then will get crushed at worlds. bummer.
yeah, americans never medal at major championships... except for meb, deena, lagat, flanagan, goucher, simpson, centrowitz, rupp, manzano...
It will happen wrote:
Rowbury is going to win the 1500m at USA's
I highly doubt this. I'd put my money on Cain before Shannon.
But I agree this is getting interesting. Why on earth would she, the former champ in 1500 change it up. It really seems like Jenny is running scared. Not like she is really interested in 5k but afraid of the competition in 1500. Weird.
Moser could win the 1500
I expect Huddle to win the 5000
It doesn't matter what Simpaon does in this meet.
Ah Ha wrote:
I highly doubt this. I'd put my money on Cain before Shannon.
But I agree this is getting interesting. Why on earth would she, the former champ in 1500 change it up. It really seems like Jenny is running scared. Not like she is really interested in 5k but afraid of the competition in 1500. Weird.
She has an auto qualifier to worlds as defending world champ
Have you read any of the messages prior to your post? She has already qualified in the 1500, she is not running scared. Why run a event that you have already qualified in.
Even with Simpson in the 5000, and Martinez in the 800, I still see a very competitive 1500 here; it will likely be tactical and could see 5 or 6 women still right there with 150 m. to go.
jack2651 wrote:
Have you read any of the messages prior to your post? She has already qualified in the 1500, she is not running scared. Why run a event that you have already qualified in.
Yes I have now. And no I didn't read all the messages at first but just jumped the gun and immediately responded. Don't I feel silly now.
Nice interview with Simpson:http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/2011-world-champ-jenny-simpson-back-on-trackShe says this about the 5000:
I haven’t made a huge big deal of it, but my intention is to run the 5-K. I’ve had a lot of experience in the fifteen [1500]. I really feel confident and comfortable with my tactical skills in the fifteen. I guess my choice is twofold. First thing is that in the 5-K, there are no rounds. There’s a different level of expectation on me because it’s not the fifteen, so it’s not like I have to go out and necessarily worry about winning it. I’m not ranked in the 5-K.
And I’m really looking forward to experiencing the U.S. Championships without having to “make it,” without all of that pressure. Mark [Wetmore] and I talked earlier this season, and we discussed, “If you got to do anything you want at the U.S. Championships, what would you want to run?” And I really love the 5-K. I only usually get to run one every year.
If Drake had not gone well, if Rome had not gone well, I might say, “Okay, I need the tactical experience of going through the rounds and doing the fifteen again.” But Rome was about as tactical a race as you get at the world level and I feel I did really well. I ran hard from the gun at Drake, so I got a good refresh on what that feels like. This is the one year, probably, of my career when it doesn’t really matter what I run at USAs. I have every intention of running the 1500 at the world championships [she says “no way” to doubling in the 5000].
It sounds like she and her coaches have thought this through.
Women's 1500 Heats on Thursday are interesting. Heat 1 contains: Moser, Mackey, Cain, Schappert, Mecke. Heat 2 contains: G Anderson, Rowbury, Uceny, S Brown, Grace. 12 make the final (top 3 in each heat and 6 fastest others).
Missing: Simpson (5000), Martinez (800), Vaughn, Schmidt, Willard-Pierce, Hasay(5k,10k). Winning heat times in Olympic trials last year were 4:08.9 and 4:09.96. Slowest finals qualifier was 4:10.73. Not fast times, but possibly unexpectedly challenging for any of the names listed above on a hot, humid day in Iowa.
Women's 5000 has a really interesting mix of familiar names and competitors stepping over from another event: Huddle, Culley, Lucas, D'Agostino, Uhl, Simpson, Flanagan, Moser, Hasay, Cain. The last four seem to be using the 5K as a backup to their other event (5k is the last distance event on Sunday). Can Abbey D or Julia Lucas make a big breakthrough after just missing last year? Will Flanagan be so bold as to compete in two events? What will Jenny Simpson do if she makes the podium (her PB would have won last year)? She's looked like a running machine this year: in a slow race she will blow away the field in the last 800. As a result this could be a fast race with Huddle and/or Flanagan (if she runs) breaking 15 to win, and the runners up all threatening to make new personal records.