What exactly is meant by "missing a drug test"

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jkhkj wrote:

it is an offense to miss three drug tests with the missed drug test while in chicago (french article on frontpage), and in qatar (espn front page) and now this one that's three and a likely mandatory ban.

Back to the detail.

1.The issue in Athens is NOT an iAAF offence as they were not notified

2.Were the "missed tests " you note an offence or just that they were not in when they called.If the latter and in the UK then it is NOT held against you.Now do you see what the problem of meanings is about.

Press still getting mixed up between went missing,avoided,and not in.Sorry but the devil is in the detail.

However if it true that they had left their address in the US to go back to Europe and not informed the IAAF with 5 days pre notice then that in itself would be an offence.I am not at all sure what mitigating circumstances could allowed as such are yet another mystery within WADA.

Has it occurred to you that due to editorial decisions and space limitations that the details you are seeking simply haven't been included in news reports?

A spokesperson informed the press that the two athelets in question missed a drug test. I'm sure the rules defining "missing a drug test" weren't included in the press release, thus they weren't included in news reports.

Time and again, athletes are being plucked up for drug offences. If you are suspicious that the governing bodies don't have their ducks in a row, don't you think we would see a significant rise in lawsuits? The Sports Arbitration board hasn't reinstated any athletes recently, which to me shows that governing bodies are erring on the side of caution. They are going after the truly guilty, and their cases are solid.

Jon Orange wrote:

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Yes it has occured to me and I have exchanged emails with a leading Uk journo and he does not know.Due to presure of time they dont read or study all the rules.

Can you define a missed test.This is not as simple as not being there for a test.

In the U.S. you can miss 2 drug tests, but on the third miss in 18 months it can then count as a failed drug test & get banned for I think it is 2 years. I missed 1 this past year b/c I was running late to practice. I don't understand all this media about a madatory bann for missing 1?

"In the U.S. you can miss 2 drug tests, but on the third miss in 18 months it can then count as a failed drug test & get banned for I think it is 2 years. I missed 1 this past year b/c I was running late to practice. I don't understand all this media about a madatory bann for missing 1?"

Did you have the chance to explain and thus not have this as one of the missed tests against you.

In the UK this would NOT be a test held against you if you could exlain.

This is why I have been asking the Q.

Do readers think it reasonable that you could be banned if you were late for practice 3 times in 18 months.

Also what if you were injured ot tired and did not train that day ,would this count as a missed test?

I am very interested in your answer.

All athletes who are subject to doping control are supposed to complete an Athlete Location Form (ALF) detailing where they are throughout each day. If there is a change, the information needs to be faxed to the proper agency (USADA for US athletes).

If a doping control officer (DCO) looks the form and the athlete is supposed to be in Chicago on August 1 training at Northwestern University from 1 to 3 pm. The DCO goes there. If the athlete is not there, the DCO follows a long protocol which includes waiting at the location until the athlete does or does not show up, checking with USADA to see if there has been a recent change and just did not make it to the DCO (this can easily happen), call the athlete's contact (usually a cell phone, coach or parent, spouse, etc.) If after all this, the athlete cannot be found, it can be a missed test.

A DCO I know has driven all over town checking out different training sites trying to find the athlete in addition to making these calls.

chikinki wrote:

well, if you speak English which I believe that you do, then it should be pretty obvious. Like 'missing an exam' means you have a scheduled exam and you don't turn up for it.

I know you like to think of yourself as the oracle of all things drug-related, but come on now - you're just being way too pedantic here. They had a test scheduled, they didn't turn up. Now I don't care what kind of crap you're gonna claim otherwise, that much is obvious to ANYONE who reads the statement "missing a drug test". Get over yourself

It is different in that a student missing an exam more than likely knew when and where the exam was going to be held and reports there. In the case of doping control out of competition, the DCO goes to the athlete unannounced.

There are occasions at camps where tests are scheduled, but those are a small percentage of the tests and the athletes do not know until shortly before the test in most cases.

pee in my cup wrote:

actually, the tests aren't scheduled. all good drug tests are random. you are, however, supposed to keep in direct contact with your governing committee and let them know your whereabouts, especially if going away for an extended period of time. if you don't and they show up, you've just missed a drug test. in the u.s. you can only miss one before paying a price.

In the US, the athlete gives this to USADA, not the NGB (although sometimes an NGB wants/gets copies from the athlete).

thinittru wrote:

Press still getting mixed up between went missing,avoided,and not in.Sorry but the devil is in the detail.

However if it true that they had left their address in the US to go back to Europe and not informed the IAAF with 5 days pre notice then that in itself would be an offence.I am not at all sure what mitigating circumstances could allowed as such are yet another mystery within WADA.

It is not good enough to notify IAAF, WADA is the one that needs the notification. Anyway there is a link on the front page that indicates the Greek was never in Chicago at all. To me, that should result in a penalty of some sort.

USADA has a very long protocol if the DCO shows up at the training site listed on the Athlete Location Form. I believe the DCO is supposed to wait 2 hours at the site. In addition there are contacts listed that can help find the person.

So let's say I am a DCO, I show up at the track where the athlete has indicated he will be training. No one is there. I wait a bit since people can be late, but at some point, I start calling. If the athlete's phone number is on there, I call it (or the cell).

The athlete says, I am running late, should be there in 20 minutes. No problem. I wait.

If the athlete says, I got injured at the AM workout and am on my way to see my therapist. I get the address and meet the athlete there.

If the athlete says "Oh I forgot to update my form, I am in Chicago about to catch a flight to London", boom! Missed test. It is the athlete's responsibility to update the form whenever there is a change.

If the athlete cannot be reached but a coach is reached and can tell me where the athlete is, I go there.

Once contact between the DCO and the athlete has been made, the athlete either gets tested, refuses the test (an automatic positive I believe), or it goes down as a missed test and a sanction is given (a reprimand for instance). Also, once the DCO has begun the process of finding an athlete (showing up at the training location on the form), the ball is rolling. The DCO cannot just go to the training find out the athlete is not there and say "get em next time".

I'm just curious, did Dick Pound ever publicly slam the Greeks for this whole fiasco, or does he just have a vendetta against the Americans? If he did, I would like to see a link to the article.

Missing the bus means that you don't get to go to your scheduled place on time- or even at all. As someone said earlier in the same post, missing an exam means that you fail to sit for a scheduled exam and risk the consequences of not being tested and graded among other things.

The same thing applies to missing a drugs test. It is stipulated in the IOC charter/constitution or laws and the consequences are that the athletes are kicked out of the games for such an occurrence.

SonNative wrote:

Missing the bus means that you don't get to go to your scheduled place on time- or even at all. As someone said earlier in the same post, missing an exam means that you fail to sit for a scheduled exam and risk the consequences of not being tested and graded among other things.

The same thing applies to missing a drugs test. It is stipulated in the IOC charter/constitution or laws and the consequences are that the athletes are kicked out of the games for such an occurrence.

This still misses the point that if you did not know you had an exam/test you could not define it as scheduled.Or to make it clearer the exam programme was never published or told to anyone.

[quote]luv2run wrote:

All athletes who are subject to doping control are supposed to complete an Athlete Location Form (ALF) detailing where they are throughout each day. If there is a change, the information needs to be faxed to the proper agency (USADA for US athletes).

If a doping control officer (DCO) looks the form and the athlete is supposed to be in Chicago on August 1 training at Northwestern University from 1 to 3 pm. The DCO goes there. If the athlete is not there, the DCO follows a long protocol which includes waiting at the location until the athlete does or does not show up, checking with USADA to see if there has been a recent change and just did not make it to the DCO (this can easily happen), call the athlete's contact (usually a cell phone, coach or parent, spouse, etc.) If after all this, the athlete cannot be found, it can be a missed test.

Thanks for this clarity.

If you see my previous post you will see that this is NOT the case in the UK.

Thus what is a missed test in the USA is not in UK.

If you decide not to train do you have to say that you are going shopping or whatever and say where you are going instead.Also if your mates call to take you out do you have to fax them where you are going?

What if your coach decides to change plans very late ,how late can this info be sent to the authorities.

In the UK they say they dont expect these changes to be notified.

You say in the lasat sentance I have quoted above that "it can be a missed test",Can you clarify this point please

When I was training very hard I had 7 training places and the choice depended upon my work patten ,weather,and level of fatigue and availability of training mates.Before anyone says that I was dodging tests, this was prior to the present regime.

All seems a nightmare.

Are there any other cicumstances in the world where there have been these levels of control place on people???

Can love2run pleasae provide an answer to the Q

You say in the last sentance I have quoted above that "it can be a missed test",Can you clarify this point please

thanks

Pretty Clear, thanks!

tex wrote:

Definition of missing a drug test:

1. Drug testers notify the Greek coaches that they will be testing athletes in the Olympic Village in 2 hours.

2. Greek officials tell Greek sprinters to get the hell out of there.

3. Greek sprinters go to their home, then on to their coach's house to concoct the scheme.

4. Greeek sprinters fake motorcycle accident.

5. Greek sprinters protected in hospital until things can get worked out.

Clear enough?

thinittru wrote:

SonNative wrote:

Missing the bus means that you don't get to go to your scheduled place on time- or even at all. As someone said earlier in the same post, missing an exam means that you fail to sit for a scheduled exam and risk the consequences of not being tested and graded among other things.

The same thing applies to missing a drugs test. It is stipulated in the IOC charter/constitution or laws and the consequences are that the athletes are kicked out of the games for such an occurrence.

This still misses the point that if you did not know you had an exam/test you could not define it as scheduled.Or to make it clearer the exam programme was never published or told to anyone.

I believe that these two greek dimwits have something up their sleeves and thus decided to miss the drugs test. I doubt that they are unwell, or that they even had a motor cycle accident.

On sunday, they also missed a hearing into why they missed the test. Next, they will miss A HEARING INTO THE HEARING INTO WHY THEY MISSED THE DRUGS TEST and then, miss a hearing into the hearing into the hearing................................................

LORD HELP US.

Let me just drop the bombshell, I think that they are doped!! Period. End of sentence!