US 1500 Runners, what now?

Untrue.

Will not be rabbited fast for sure.

If so, then who?

For guys on the East Coast, the Pennsylvania Distance Festival on May 31 will have men's and women's 800 and 1500 along with a mixed 5k. It's a fast track. It's at Henderson High School in West Chester, PA. Details: http://runccrs.com/results/race-calendar/?event_id=1190

Who put all their eggs in the Oxy basket?

The whole slowing down of the Oxy race was a ploy to deny Leer the A standard even in winning the stacked heat.

Centro, Manzano and Wheating will get invited to a fast Euro meet and get their A's while Leer will have to find a fast B meet.

douglas burke wrote:

the top 4 finishers in the trials have until july 20th to get standards, they can either be under 3:35 at the 1500 mark in the mile as rupp did indoors, or they can run fast in the trials, or run another 1500 anywhere in the world, probably in europe before july 20th.

the rule is athletes can chase standards until july 29th, but the USATF for who knows why? is giving americans 9 less days to chase standards, thus the july 20th deadline.

anyway i am sure we will have 3 going to worlds, in spite of USATF shortchanging american athletes 9 days.

the USATF is also only letting us have 3 runners in the mens and womens marathon, while the world championships allow 5 per country, again shortchanging the athletes, thats for another thread though.

Athletes who chase the standards end up getting burned out. I suppose it makes for some interesting drama, but it's also nice to know who the team is at the US Champs.

* wrote:

Who put all their eggs in the Oxy basket?

The whole slowing down of the Oxy race was a ploy to deny Leer the A standard even in winning the stacked heat.

Centro, Manzano and Wheating will get invited to a fast Euro meet and get their A's while Leer will have to find a fast B meet.

??

None of those guys are so afraid of Leer that they would conspire to keep him from the A standard. That is ridiculous.

If Centro, Manzano, and Wheating are that worried about another domestic competitor getting the "A", then they are really screwed when it's time to line up against the big dogs in Europe.

Try again.

JInjnjin wrote:

If you won the US trials and you only had the B and Centro and Manzano came in second and third. Would you NOT chase the A on purpose, just to improve your chance at worlds (keep out 2 former WC and Olympic medalists)?

Anybody worried about getting the A standard has absolutely no chance at a medal anyway. They should be racing to peak form.

In addition to meets in USA and Europe, there are 3 meets in Canada after the trials - June 29th/Edmonton, July 1st/Vancouver, and July 5th/Victoria. Each of these will present good opportunities to achieve World Standards in selected events.

alejandro wrote:

In addition to meets in USA and Europe, there are 3 meets in Canada after the trials - June 29th/Edmonton, July 1st/Vancouver, and July 5th/Victoria. Each of these will present good opportunities to achieve World Standards in selected events.

What having winning times in 1500m/3000St/5000m looked like the past few years?

I read through the USATF qualifying stuff...

And it didn't say you had to have the B to keep chasing..

So do you or do you not have to have the B to chase?

Ed Gorman decides and it more lost than Chaplin.

God save this sport.

answermeplease wrote:

I read through the USATF qualifying stuff...

And it didn't say you had to have the B to keep chasing..

So do you or do you not have to have the B to chase?

I looked at the Competition Manual but did not find details on team selection, maybe I overlooked it.

I did find information about holding a weight pentathlon. I did not know that event existed but it looks pretty cool.

It is possible it is in the governance manual, I don't have time to go through that right now.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

AAB can go (world champs, this is consistent w/ prior years but different than Olympics).

I suspect the dream Mile would also put up a FAT timer at 1500m.

There are tons of smaller meets as well.

Yes, whoever has the highest-placing B will go. To understand the difference, the Olympics has allowed many popular sports to be added and so have too many athletes. To keep the numbers down you cannot go as a B if there are athletes going with the A. The WCs, being track&field only, do not have that problem. Ergo the easier arrangement on the "B" level.

This arrangement takes out the punch from posters pushing o the notion of keeping guys like Leer out.

Does Pre have two 'miles'? That is, a secondary race in addition to the premier one? If so, switching that one to a 1500 can easily be done even if they are wont to switch the premier event from the mile.

They list that there WILL be a mens 1500 for the 'National' (vs International Mile) race. Similarly the Friday night segment has two womens qualifying races - 800 and 1500 (and they are free):

Friday, May 31st Events - DISTANCE NIGHT IN EUGENE - 6 PM START

MEN

1500 METERS* (NATIONAL)

INTERNATIONAL MILE*

10,000 METERS*

IDL LONG JUMP

WOMEN

800 METERS* (NATIONAL)

1500 METERS* (NATIONAL)

IDL SHOT PUT

HAMMER THROW*

IDL JAVELIN THROW

Read more: PreClassic.com - The official Prefontaine Classic website - Meet Info - Meet Info

OK. The Leer ploy was a joke. I thought that was obvious, especially using the word "ploy".

7 Americans ran under 3:35 last year but the only sub 3:35 American performances before July were at Oxy or Doha- in Brown's case.

In 2011 no one had the standard entering USATF.

Centro, Manzano and Wheating all had to chase in Europe and they hit the standard in their first race or two overseas.

Leer was in position to chase for a spot as well if one of them failed but he did not get the time anyway.

So if history repeats itself, we'll just see them chasing again.

Not allowing prior year performances like they do for the Olympics makes it tough.

But these guys are focusing on USAT first and foremost.

Why doesn't a college coach with an elite track put on a small distance/ middle distance carnival for athletes trying to get the standard.

Could be a great opportunity to get some publicity for the college as well.

I'm thinking colleges like Westmont College (Santa Barbara, CA), University of North Florida (Jacksonville, FL), or University of Redlands (Redlands, CA) have some pretty nice track facilities and could be a great fit for a meet like this.

Meet could be as simple as 3000 SC, 800, 1500, 5000 (men/women)

Why would you run an A standard time at some college track in front of nobody, when there's plenty of time to do it at a televised Diamond League meeting in Europe, where you'll get (at least) a bonus from your sponsor, very likely an appearance fee, and possibly prize money?

I'd bet that plenty of runners will have the A or new ones with the B before or at the Trials. DT comes to mind.

There were so many 3:36-3:38s at Oxy and it usually takes a bit of sharpening to run 3:35. Wait until the TWO 1500s at Pre to see what people do, especially the faster of those two (which I am guessing would be the National one next to the Pre Mile, but, until we see the list we will not know.

I don't think plenty will have the A before the Trials.

Like I said, zero had it going into the 2011 Trials.

They didn't even try at Oxy. They let the pacers get a gap and the pacers had to ease up to not run away from the field.

There's a chance someone like Centro hits it en route to the mile at Pre if they hit 3:50 or better.

I don't see anyone getting it in the 1500m B heats.

Leer needs to suck it up and go for it somewhere.

He completely laid back at Oxy.

He clearly has the ability but I don't know what is best 800m split is. Has he ever gone out in 1:55 or better?