2013 Oregon Twilight Results : Rupp 7:46, Ritz 7:47 in 3k

someone had to do it wrote:

Distance Maniac wrote:

7:46=8:20 2mile. Not all that impressive. Would have expected more in the range of 7:30.

it's may

Exactly? And they are likely training through it. How did Ritz look?

I am a Rupp fan, but Wonder what he and Salazar are up to. I'll take him at his word that Rupp had tight hamstrings, but given this is the Oregon Twilight in early May, and recognizing it's possible a fast 800 might put a hamstring at greater risk than a 3,000, it still seems like the far more prudent thing to do would have been to take the night off rather than risk the whole season.

I thought Ritz looked good. Sometimes last year he seemed as if he was also grinding, but this race he seemed a bit light on his feet.

Sagarin wrote:

someone had to do it wrote:

it's may

Exactly? And they are likely training through it. How did Ritz look?

Everyone gets tight hamstrings now and then. It's a huge difference between running a 1:47-48 800 and a 7:46 3000, which is indeed like a jog for him considering the 7:30 he ran recently. I'm sure Rupp is experienced enough to know whether or not running that pace would feel risky, and if he didn't have the tightness, he probably would have put on more of a show and pushed the pace another 10 seconds faster.

There should be no question that Rupp will be in sub-13:00 shape in a championship year. The real question is whether he'll take a shot at the American record before or after the World Championships in Europe. I hope he will. He was probably in sub-12:50 shape for the Olympics, but unfortunately caught a flu bug after the games and wasn't able to put together a fast race.

yeah man i mean if you can't get up for the oregon twilight meet, then i don't know what gets you goin'. maybe time to hang 'em up...

Distance Maniac wrote:

7:46=8:20 2mile. Not all that impressive. Would have expected more in the range of 7:30.

Seems like Rupp ran his 5k pace for 3k with a small kick at the end. A good workout for a night like that. He will easily break 13:00 in his first real effort this year.

It looked like a "rust buster" to me. They both looked good and it bodes well for Ritz. Last year he opened up at Oxy with a 13:14 5k. I think running 13 flat pace for 3k is a good tune up and he will run 13:12 or so at Oxy this year.

I really want to see see Ritz run sub 27 at Pre. He looked easy in that race and I would bet he could hold close to that pace for 5k if he had to.

Ritz looks like he is over-striding and using his arms too much. He looked much smoother racing Rupp at USA champs in 2009. He went on to break 13 that year.

Puskedra has atrocious form.

I attended this meet in 1979 and watched Rudy Chapa run 7:37.7 AR and Salazar 2nd in 7:43.+

It was an absurdly easy looking 7:46, from 7:52 pace or there about not sure why anyone would take much else from this

Fastnbulbous wrote:

Everyone gets tight hamstrings now and then. It's a huge difference between running a 1:47-48 800 and a 7:46 3000, which is indeed like a jog for him considering the 7:30 he ran recently. I'm sure Rupp is experienced enough to know whether or not running that pace would feel risky, and if he didn't have the tightness, he probably would have put on more of a show and pushed the pace another 10 seconds faster.

There should be no question that Rupp will be in sub-13:00 shape in a championship year. The real question is whether he'll take a shot at the American record before or after the World Championships in Europe. I hope he will. He was probably in sub-12:50 shape for the Olympics, but unfortunately caught a flu bug after the games and wasn't able to put together a fast race.

4:08 per 1600m is "like a jog for him"?

That is some hyperbole son! How fast do you go when you are "running"?

2 x 4:10 mile with no recovery is a nice workout for a guy with sore hamstrings.

i speculate salazar a few days pre-race had rupp turn up the heat doing some fancy speed work for the 800m, leaving rupp a bit sore, hence the switch from a short max effort to a solid 3k effort.

sounds like ritz is not quite comfortable cruising at 62 to 63 seconds a lap, it takes time to adjust your settings from 68-75 seconds a lab.

all said, that was great work for both ritz and rupp.

salazar is probably on it, but i'll chime in and say that switching from the marathon back to the track, you should take a month off doing light work only. then start back by doing tons of stride outs - moving on to the real work - in ritz case repeat 400m at 62 ish, half miles at 2:05 and finally moving to 3 minutes for 1200m with some comfort....

chime out...

It's too bad that Salazar didn't have you to council him on this ... it is also too bad that this "switching back to the track" happened 7 months ago.

right ritz last marathon 7 months back. i was thinking more like 4.

and right, salazar doesn't need council so much these days.

no change in advice above though.

rock on 14 flat.

Your assignment, 14-Flat, should you choose to accept it, is to learn to distinguish 'council' from 'counsel'. (I do, however, agree with your point.)

register guard reports rupp was suffering from a hard speed workout.

probably salazar will take notes and back off a bit before the next under distance attempt.

i love al-sal in that he never stops tuning the program.

sometimes you go a little over, what can you do when you're playing around with state of the art training?

go boys go.