I remember Orlando Pizzolato walking when he won the NYC Marathon. Same with Geoff Smith. Happens in all endurance events.
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I remember Orlando Pizzolato walking when he won the NYC Marathon. Same with Geoff Smith. Happens in all endurance events.
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How many of you have actually run 50 miles, 100K, or 100 miles? That's what I thought.
Appears Ryan Hall can't even run a marathon so this is a stretch.
Sage is pretty fast wrote:
30 pounds from race weight wrote:Any news on World Class Race walking?
This guy WAS a 2:16 marathoner that knew he could never get much better running in events that the competitive runners care about so he went to the "who cares?" events. There are roughly 75 Americans that are currently competing in real events that would kill Sage in an Ultra without even training for it.
I'm not so sure about this. Sage isn't far back from Max King in ultras, and Max King could probably beat any American at 50k to 100k on trails. The only other guys that could definitely beat Sage in a ~50 mile trail race without much training are Ryan Hall and Josh Cox (and I'm not convinced on the latter right now). There are at least 20 guys that could beat him with 6 months of specific training, but without the specific trail training, I'm not convinced that any of them would.
Uli did not run a 2:12 marathon, where did you see this? Also, it was not a legitimate course the year he run 2:13:56. Was measured incorrectly I found.
The 50k Max ran was not competitive by any means the guys were more than 10 mins behind him so he got an easy win on a great weather day. He has shown he can double easily, I think he the new guy just caught him by surprise. It happens in long races
Sage also made a comment in his interview that if the race was 2k longer that he probably would not have won. So Tim Olson has fair reasoning that he would like to face those fella's in a 100 miler.
I have no doubt that fast marathoners can run some fast ultramarathons and really break some records. But there are also ultra guys that are pushing the boundaries themselves. I'm not going to be the typical letsrunner and say that ultrarunners are a bunch of pansies just trying to win easy things.
Tim Olson should STFU and do a 6-day race and really test himself.
Seriously, these guys like Meltzer are so obsessed with 100-milers they need to look in the mirror and think about what they're saying - they always say, "well, so-and-so should run a 100-miler". Yeah, why don't you run a freaking 10K? How about that?
Like the 100M is the be-all-end-all. I am glad they are no longer winning.
Where's the info on the short course for Steidl? I'd be curious to see it. Never heard that before. I guess it doesn't matter 2:13 is f'in slow.
So wait...are Sage and Max pu$$ie$ for racing trails or bad-asses for being fast on the roads? Getting confused here?
Actual_100K_Finisher wrote:
How many of you have actually run 50 miles, 100K, or 100 miles? That's what I thought.
+1
And that isn't to say a lot (maybe even most) elite marathoners couldn't succeed at ultras. It's just that 50 miles and up and technical trail running are different.
duckduckgooseme wrote:
So wait...are Sage and Max pu$$ie$ for racing trails or bad-asses for being fast on the roads? Getting confused here?
As far as I can make out the idea is the reverse of what you said except substitute 100 miles for trails.
The only other place I've seen the amount of ignorance and insecurity that exists on this thread is in the students of my 6th grade classroom.
Why is the LR readership so threatened by a bunch of slow-ass trail runners?
Koneko wrote:
Ultrarunners are in the same category as cross-fitters and tough mudders. Complete hacks who can't handle real running events.
Track, XC, and road racing are the only races that matter.
Those 100K idiots have no ability whatsoever. They couldn't outrun a paraplegic on a sand dune. Stick to the real sports like track and road racing. Or be a real man/woman and combine them both by running a marathon... on a track.
Sage is pretty fast wrote:
Sage Canaday raced the Terawera 100k down in New Zealand over the weekend and took 1st place. He built up such a sizable lead that, even though he blew up very badly and had to walk all the *downhills* at the end of the race, he still won over a field of top ultrarunners, including 2013 Western States champion and record holder Timothy Olson. Thoughts?
That's amazing, since the race is in June.
J.R. wrote:
...including 2013 Western States champion and record holder Timothy Olson. Thoughts?
That's amazing, since the race is in June.[/quote]
Well played, sir/ma'am.
trailexperience wrote:
Sage also made a comment in his interview that if the race was 2k longer that he probably would not have won. So Tim Olson has fair reasoning that he would like to face those fella's in a 100 miler.
I have no doubt that fast marathoners can run some fast ultramarathons and really break some records. But there are also ultra guys that are pushing the boundaries themselves. I'm not going to be the typical letsrunner and say that ultrarunners are a bunch of pansies just trying to win easy things.
He would like to face those fella's WHAT in a 100 miler?
WaffleRacer wrote:
Koneko wrote:Ultrarunners are in the same category as cross-fitters and tough mudders. Complete hacks who can't handle real running events.
Track, XC, and road racing are the only races that matter.
This^ For the elites it's a cynical move to make a buck and eak out a "pro" career that would not exist. For the hobby jogger, it's a way to avoid racing or competing.
It's "eke".
The stupidity of letsrun posters never ceases me to amaze me. The point of a "pro" career is to get paid. Going where the money is isn't cynical; it's practical.
Once upon a time, track and XC were the shizz, while road racing was where the hacks and the plodders went. Now road racing matters more than XC, and track is headed in the same direction as XC; only its presence in the olympics keeps it afloat.
Actual_100K_Finisher wrote:
How many of you have actually run 50 miles, 100K, or 100 miles? That's what I thought.
Finishing 100k isn't impressive. I've finished 100k to 100 miles many times, but I will still admit that elite marathoners could crush everyone in the field.
is it really 'racing' if walking is involved?
moron wrote:
Can we just be reasonable, recognize that "ultra" distances are very new relative to traditional distances, and acknowledge that it will take some time for convergence? Everyone should recognize that all ultra records are going to be smashed repeatedly over the next decade as the interest, prizes, etc, continue to increase, attracting more talent.
Unless they become less popular, like other odd sports such as bowling and hockey.
Maybe. When more prize money is involved then Kenyans will start to run them - that is when the sport will become real. At the moment, Africans are not in the trail scene because they simply cannot afford it. It'd be great to see Salmon running or someone of the sort to sponsor a few Kenyans - you know, they have 100 to choose from who qualified for the Olympics but simply could not run because their 2.05 was too slow - and see how they go.
Trail running can be very technical. Steep uphills shouldn't be underestimated. Marathoners under 2.20, such as Sage, can run 100km well. A 2.04 marathoner you would expect would run faster, however, throw in the technical of the trail, steep hills etc and their 2.04 pace means jack-shit, just their fitness.
So I guess it comes down to the strongest, elite marathoner who has the mental capability to piece together the jigsaw of technicality etc. At the moment, in the 100km, that is Sage.