Here's an idea: How about 2 sections of the 5K? A slow and fast section. I know that's a revolutionary idea, but maybe they should consider it.
Here's an idea: How about 2 sections of the 5K? A slow and fast section. I know that's a revolutionary idea, but maybe they should consider it.
why would you do that when only a limited number can score points. you'd have a race where no one scores...its a conference meet, not a fun run
The SEC does this as well.
This is a championship meet. Lapping down to 12 works. The people that dont like this are also the same that want everyone to get a participant trophy. It is competitive college athletics not rec track.
The only thing that I see that seems crazy about the rules in the Big 12 is that it seems as if only 8 make the final in the mile.
Phi Slamma Jamma wrote:
This is a championship meet. Lapping down to 12 works. The people that dont like this are also the same that want everyone to get a participant trophy. It is competitive college athletics not rec track.
The only thing that I see that seems crazy about the rules in the Big 12 is that it seems as if only 8 make the final in the mile.
Lapping down to 12 absolutely does not work as we saw in C-USA. If you have someone that is over a minute faster than the runners from around 8th-14th place, they are going to lap them pretty quickly, especially on a 12 lap track. Therefore, the runner that is best at going out slower and moving their way up has to change their philosophy because of the lapping down to 12 rule. I saw cases where the girls in 8th-12th literally sprinted for a lap to avoid being lapped and then they obviously jogged the rest of the way. I believe C-USA eventually changed it to lapping down to 18.
What if some great runner is up against a weak field and everyone gets lapped? It could happen.
People are forgetting that this is a conference championship, which means:
1) every team probably gets at least n competitors, no time standard
2) you don't run it for a time trial or PR
3) no point in multiple heats
Everyone knew this going in (or should have) and entered anyways. If you want to run a 17:30 PR you'll have to do it in one of the other perfectly good indoor meets, where you'll probably have a better field to do it in anyways.
At the NCAA indoor championship in 2004 I believe that Kim Smith lapped everyone in the 5000m except the second place finisher. Her winning time was 15:14, Alicia Craig was second in 15:45 and Molly Huddle was third in 15:58; the race was on a 200m track. This was the NCAA championships not even just a conference championship- it can certainly happen (although rare) that a runner laps everyone in a conference championship.
At the WIAC meet on Friday Christy Cazzola lapped the rest of the field 3 times. She ran 16:40. The runner-up ran 19:00.
Track Official Buzz wrote:
26mi235 wrote:400m on a 200m track is two laps down. At that point they are merely interfering with the runners that count. This is a championship meet, not a kumbyah session.
Iowa State doesn't have a 200m track. Even so, it's not an issue if the officials are competent. Oh wait . . . . this is the typical track official we're talking about. Never mind.
I think that you might find that these are the competition rules that the coaches and conference people set out for the meet. Why don't you find out first before slamming officials, many of whom may not get paid at all. I do know one official that is almost certainly not a fool and is good enough that he has been one of the non-local officials at both the Olympics and the World Championships [i.e., the ones gets brought in because they are the best].
lack of education wrote:
Big 12 aren't smart enough to keep track of runners that are down a lap so they just boot them aside.
Are you saying they can't count up to two?
If you want to control the size of the field, set a qualification standard. Don't kick people out of a race. That's just plain stupid. If the race was only about deciding a winner, why not only let 4-8 people in?
Why are so many people baffled by this rule? It's been in place in multiple conferences for some time now. If you're going to be fighting for that 7th or 8th place, you know that you'll have to be a little aggressive in the middle of the race to make sure you are in at least the top 12. Everyone knows this. It's a conference championship meet - the point is to accumulate conference points, not to let Jane Doe run a pr. That's what every other race in the season is for.
crazy raisin wrote:
People are forgetting that this is a conference championship, which means:
1) every team probably gets at least n competitors, no time standard
2) you don't run it for a time trial or PR
3) no point in multiple heats
Everyone knew this going in (or should have) and entered anyways. If you want to run a 17:30 PR you'll have to do it in one of the other perfectly good indoor meets, where you'll probably have a better field to do it in anyways.
I don't agree with this at all. You still want to get your time and position
In track races all around the world timekeepers have no problem timing lapped runners from big to small meets.
iowa state's indoor track is 300m.
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worst poster wrote:
What if some great runner is up against a weak field and everyone gets lapped? It could happen.
That's why they stop lapping people off when they are down to 12 runners. It's not a difficult concept.
lack of education wrote:
Big 12 aren't smart enough to keep track of runners that are down a lap so they just boot them aside.
I thought that was an SEC problem.
all you angry moms and pops needa chillax and stuff.
Finally someone calls it like it is.
All you people complaining must be the washed up runners who would've been lapped out of the field if you had been running. Or maybe it's your kids who are getting lapped out. Either way Conference Championships are not for participation or pr's. Let the coaches' make their decisions, y'all stay glued to your computers.
Some coaches will pull their own athletes out if they are too far behind. The goal is to run the race the fastest, not some intrinsic feeling of "I finished the race."
They don't do it in the Olmpics, and they didn't. do it in Billy Mills' Tokyo 10,000 meters.
The meet is robbing them of an opportunity for satisfaction.
Perhaps we should make officials pass a fitness and body fat test to prove they are fit to represent our sport.