4:28.25 for CAIN! 2nd place at Millrose!!!

Come on mayne wrote:

1 Sheila Reid Nike 4:27.02

2 Mary Cain Bronxville, NY 4:28.25

3 Kate Grace Oiselle 4:28.79

4 Emma Coburn University of Colorado 4:29.86

5 Abbey D'Agostino Dartmouth College 4:30.03

6 Hilary Stellingwerff New Balance 4:30.50

7 Sarah Brown New Balance 4:31.26

8 Emily Infeld Nike Oregon TC 4:31.50

9 Renee Tomlin Nike 4:35.99

10 Jordan Hasay University of Oregon 4:36.21

11 Ashley Higginson Saucony 4:36.63

What an awesome race and results. Is there a video out yet on the free internet?

Zola Budd was 19 when she ran 4:06.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diZ6qL_kQ7U&list=UU79apKmyyqbUwEtanqU8H4Q&index=3

She runs like a foal whose legs don't really work yet. Salazar must be drooling over what she'll do when she learns to run with her thumbs up.

Puberty will hit, once she grows breasts and gets hips it is all over for Cain. Maybe Salazar can do some hormone trickery and keep her a pre-teen forever!

I was thinking for outdoors...

Really? And the 4:11 she ran last summer, what exactly was that?

Emil C wrote:

Salazar is giving her the sauce. Can't believe people are falling for this.

Cain ran 4:11.72 for 1500 en route.

https://twitter.com/MillroseGames/status/302964590801739776

4:28.25 / 1.08 ~ 4:08.4 equivalent

kanny wrote:

I was thinking for outdoors...

OK. When Zola was 17, she ran 4:01.81 for outdoors.

Cain's indoor Mile at Millrose was about 4:10.00 based on calculations I was taught.

Junior WR for indoor mile is 4:24.10. If she stays healthy, she will destroy that by the time she's 19.

()() wrote:

kanny wrote:

I was thinking for outdoors...

OK. When Zola was 17, she ran 4:01.81 for outdoors.

http://eolstoragewe.blob.core.windows.net/wm-186867-cmsimages/Junior%20SOUTH%20AFRICAN%20RECORDS.pdf

Cain's indoor Mile at Millrose was about 4:10.00 based on calculations I was taught.

You were taught? Um no. Just flat out wrong.

Raptured wrote:

Junior WR for indoor mile is 4:24.10. If she stays healthy, she will destroy that by the time she's 19.

Destroy?

Mrr82 wrote:

()() wrote:

OK. When Zola was 17, she ran 4:01.81 for outdoors.

http://eolstoragewe.blob.core.windows.net/wm-186867-cmsimages/Junior%20SOUTH%20AFRICAN%20RECORDS.pdf

Cain's indoor Mile at Millrose was about 4:10.00 based on calculations I was taught.

You were taught? Um no. Just flat out wrong.

Yes, track and field news had a formula for conversions years ago saying to multiply the Mile time like 4:28.25 by .932 and that equals 4:10.009 on my calculator. And when going the other way from the 1500 to the mile use 1.073.

One of the world qualifying times that we women had to reach was 4:10.00 for 1500 meters. So 4:10 X 1.073 = 4:28.25.

I used the formula for most of my open career and still use it for my masters career. It works for me pretty well.

I was told the conversion can be used the same for the 3000 and 2 Miles. So I remember that for '92 Barcelona 8:56.00 as a qualifier. It seems like that equals a 9:35.128 for 2 Miles.

so... 3:26.0 x 1.073 = 3:41.0 mile? --- no

()() wrote:

Yes, track and field news had a formula for conversions years ago saying to multiply the Mile time like 4:28.25 by .932 and that equals 4:10.009 on my calculator. And when going the other way from the 1500 to the mile use 1.073.

One of the world qualifying times that we women had to reach was 4:10.00 for 1500 meters. So 4:10 X 1.073 = 4:28.25.

I used the formula for most of my open career and still use it for my masters career. It works for me pretty well.

I was told the conversion can be used the same for the 3000 and 2 Miles. So I remember that for '92 Barcelona 8:56.00 as a qualifier. It seems like that equals a 9:35.128 for 2 Miles.

Think logically about the conversions you provided. They indicate virtually zero slow-down when adding the extra 109 or 218 meters. That doesn't really make sense.

Man I have to say I wouldn't be surprised she's on something. That's just ridiculous of an improvement from even her last record. I'm skeptical, definitely, how can you not be? I'd love for it to be legit, but it really is quite amazing she beats all the collegiate/PRO women. But maybe she is just THAT good. I guess we don't know until something comes up.

()() wrote:

[quote]Mrr82 wrote:

[quote]()() wrote:

Yes, track and field news had a formula for conversions years ago saying to multiply the Mile time like 4:28.25 by .932

Even T/F New has has been using 1.08 for decades:

It's 4:08/4:28. Cain is on track to surpass Zola.

As I recall from her 4:32 mile a few weeks back she ran a lot of it out near lane 2. Tonight she seemed to have much better positioning the entire time, almost always on the rail, except when she had to dart out between Hasay and D'Agostino when she found herself boxed in. Tonight's pacing was also a lot more even -- after the opening lap it was even 34s until the last two in 32 and 30. So the 4-ish second improvement, while certainly impressive, is hardly out of the realm of possibilities.

And with her overall progress, is it really all that insane given that she ran 4:11 last summer? Of her four indoor races, all of which were very impressive, tonight's was the first one that was clearly ahead of that 4:11, and probably only by a couple seconds. Granted it's an indoor track, but is it that crazy for her to improve a couple seconds in a 1500/mile in 7 months? Add to this the fact that Salazar is probably training her for a little indoor peak that culminated tonight. My guess is that she shuts it down now and goes back into heavier training to get ready for the summer racing season.

Lastly, she's young. The improvement curve for young people can be relatively steep. This should hardly be shocking.

My online calculator shows Ms. Cain's 4:08.25 for the mile is equivalent to 4:07.84 over 1500m.

Using the same formula, El G's 1-mile time of 3:43.13 was the equivalent to a 1500m time of 3:25.15 (his record was 3:25.0, so not far off the actual).

Regardless, congratulation to Ms.Cain for achieving such an exceptional performance! Second place at the Milrose Games is impressive, no matter the time!