Farah went from 12:57 to 12:53 in one year with Salazar - not 13:07.
I'd say the most suspicious improvement in recent memory is Chris Solinsky going from 13:12 to 12:55 and from never running a 10k to 26:59.
Farah went from 12:57 to 12:53 in one year with Salazar - not 13:07.
I'd say the most suspicious improvement in recent memory is Chris Solinsky going from 13:12 to 12:55 and from never running a 10k to 26:59.
As I said on a different thread, I see this as a stunning indictment of both Rupp and Salazar:
I argued that fantastic, mind-blowing performances could occur without the need for such drugs. My professor was doubtful, but based on my own experience training with Alan Webb, who was only two years off running his magical 3:46 mile, and Moise Joseph, who would go on to make the 800m semifinals at the world championships in the 800m that summer, I knew for a fact that there were still top level athletes who did things the right way.
This coming from a guy that COACHED Galen Rupp. He specifically mentions Webb and a Kenyan as athletes who "did things the right way," but no mention of Rupp or Salazar.
I don't there's much more that needs to be said.
coach d wrote:
This coming from a guy that COACHED Galen Rupp. He specifically mentions Webb and a Kenyan as athletes who "did things the right way," but no mention of Rupp or Salazar.
I don't there's much more that needs to be said.
Except that the NOP let him go. Not mentioning Rupp is perfectly explainable by pettiness or hard feelings toward a program that let him go. I'm not saying that's what it is, but it's as good an explanation as a read-between-the-lines accusation of PED use.
Maybe he signed non-disclosure agreement of some sort that prohibits him even to speculate anything (training, drugs, who Rupp was having an affair with, anything).
yes NDA
they can't talk ,but they can 'omit' to mention people as he's done
When you get told, "you and your girlfriend are not welcome here" as Steve and Jackie were told last may. You are going to be bitter and have nothing nice to say.
You cannot fukk the athletes. Steve did.
Steve never coached Rupp.
Steve coached Jackie and two guys who left the program angry.
He was given a rope and Steve hung himself and was asked to leave.
I think everyone agrees Salazar messes with the "grey area" a lot. Why wouldn't he? As long as what he's doing isn't against the rules its fine. Any coach should try to get their athletes as close to doping as they can without breaking the rules.
Fluffy wrote:
Any coach should try to get their athletes as close to doping as they can without breaking the rules.
well that's just simply not true.
newenglander wrote:
Have any of you read this?
Written May 7, 1999 by Albero Salazar:
http://law.duke.edu/sites/default/files/migrated_files/dl_file-sportscenter-salazar_4.pdfPage 2, Alberto says:
" I believe that it is currently difficult to be
among the top 5 in the world in any of the distance events without using EPO or Human
Growth Hormone "
Why would he say that? how would you explain Mo and Rupp going 1-2 in London?
That indeed was Salazar saying there was a doping problem in the sport, and that he was against it.
Mo and Rupp worked their assess off to run well in London, and as it was a tactical race, they were able to finish 1-2.
Cornflakes wrote:
coach d wrote:This coming from a guy that COACHED Galen Rupp. He specifically mentions Webb and a Kenyan as athletes who "did things the right way," but no mention of Rupp or Salazar.
I don't there's much more that needs to be said.
Except that the NOP let him go. Not mentioning Rupp is perfectly explainable by pettiness or hard feelings toward a program that let him go. I'm not saying that's what it is, but it's as good an explanation as a read-between-the-lines accusation of PED use.
This is correct.
And Salazar is Rupp's coach, PERIOD.
Coach d is insane.
Truth Sayer wrote:
Maybe he signed non-disclosure agreement of some sort that prohibits him even to speculate anything (training, drugs, who Rupp was having an affair with, anything).
You don't really know what an NDA is do you?
They are largely unenforceable, and have nothing to do with "speculate."
Yes, you are a cowardly azzhole trying to besmirch good innocent people with your muckraking insanity.
Magness said very clearly that he left to pursue other opportunities.
Healthiest guess was that he wanted to run his own show.
http://running.competitor.com/2012/07/news/steve-magness-leaves-nike-oregon-project_55153
college kid wrote:
I suspect that you're right. I've heard from more than one credible source - with direct inside knowledge, I might add - that Salazar is up to no good.
Total lies.
dksaaakak wrote:
Let's say he got fired from the NOP or they just didn't renew his contract because he wasn't contributing. Would it be natural for him to praise the athletes still with the NOP or would he have hard feeling against them?
If he got fired why wouldn't he say what he knows if something shady is going on with the NOP? Why would he care if he pisses off Nike? He doesn't work for them or coach their athletes.
Also, why wouldn't athletes who left and lost their contracts, like Amy Yoder Begley, blow the whistle if something shady was going on?
If NOP is doping there are too many people who would know about it and who have no reason not to talk. That's not proof one way or the other but it doesn't seem plausible for there to be widespread doping and for it not to have come out by now.
This is correct.
You conspiracy crazy people need to grow up.
Magness was not fired:
http://running.competitor.com/2012/07/news/steve-magness-leaves-nike-oregon-project_55153I know a lot of you people have issues that cause you to want to hate on figures in the sport that you do not know personally.
I know Alberto.
And I also know his program is clean.
I'll say it again, Alberto is so straight laced and square, the idea that he run a peds program with his team is insane.
Think about it? Where is the only place these ideas are floated?
On the least regulated publishing forum on the web; and the least respected forum in the sport.
rAMjAM wrote:
drunk people talk alot wrote:Ya.... I've heard some pretty direct things before against Alberto (and Rupp). (From, a former Salazar athlete and an athlete of someone who worked with Salazar, respectively. I don't think the two sources even know each other.) Also, the reason Ms. Goucher left is.... comical. And even worse. (From the second source).
The sources did agree that not everyone coached by Alberto is immediately put on drugs, though. And those that are, micro-dose to levels still naturally found in the human population (although not simultaneously).
Great info, thanks for leaving it.
This isn't great info at all. Sure, maybe it is true, but as it's written, t's no different than any of the other bullshit hearsay posted on here on a regular basis. Post with an actual name, give athlete names, give specifics, back it up with proof. Otherwise, you're just another in a long line of random internet dudes casting aspersions.
newenglander wrote:
Have any of you read this?
Written May 7, 1999 by Albero Salazar:
http://law.duke.edu/sites/default/files/migrated_files/dl_file-sportscenter-salazar_4.pdfPage 2, Alberto says:
" I believe that it is currently difficult to be
among the top 5 in the world in any of the distance events without using EPO or Human
Growth Hormone "
Why would he say that? how would you explain Mo and Rupp going 1-2 in London?
I've never understood why people find this article so damning. Salazar wrote it in 1999, when there was no EPO or HGH test, when guys were showing up and dropping unbelievable times.
Ho Hum wrote:
I've never understood why people find this article so damning. Salazar wrote it in 1999, when there was no EPO or HGH test, when guys were showing up and dropping unbelievable times.
1999? Wasn't that the same year that Mary Slaney (coached by AlSal) withdrew here petition in the Court of Arbitration to have her doping conviction overturned?
Yes, his actual involvement with dopers is pretty damning. On the other hand, his article about the state of the sport at the time is pretty much 100% accurate.
Here is the first part of Alberto Salazar's paper:
http://law.duke.edu/sites/default/files/migrated_files/dl_file-sportscenter-salazar_4.pdf
Locating the Line Between Acceptable Performance Enhancement and Cheating
Regulating authorities in the sports world and the public need to recognize what all athletes striving to be their best have learned early in their careers, that everything they do to prepare for competition is with the hope that it will enhance their performance.
In this age of information and technology, athletes are very knowledgeable about all possible means of performance enhancement that are available. They know exactly what their peers are doing to prepare for competition, and what seems to be the most successful.
Most of these are legitimate practices to improve performance. The include practices such as:
- Endurance training.
- Weight training.
- Massages.
- Anti-inflammatory medications such as aspirin, ibuprofen, and naproxen.
- Asthma medications and other medicines that may or may not treat sports related
ailments. Sometimes these medications need to be approved by a regulating authority
and their medical needs must be confirmed by a physician.
- Surgeries for muscle-skeletal problems.
- Altitude training.
- Skill-development training.
- Flexibility training.
Of course, besides these legitimate and accepted practices, and regardless of their indulgence of such practices, athletes are equally aware of non-legitimate practices such as doping and other prohibited practices.
Agreed. So tired of the people here that think everyone thats faster than them is on PED.
It really doesnt surprise me. There is a well known runner here whos facebook page reads like a tea party meeting agenda. Nice enough people but pretty warped view of reality.