Which translates to,
1) poach the best runners in the world.
2) consult with the worlds foremost expert on epo.
3) put athletes on thyroid and asthma meds.
4) give them testoboost and androgel
5) make athletes sign nondisclosure agreements
How did that work for the other 30 some runners who passed through albertos revolving door?
I would love to throw this in my pavement pounding coaches face. Seriously frustrated the hell out of me when he wonders why people get hurt.
My first competitive career ended after seven years in serious injury age 22, mostly due to running on pavement. Second career, successful masters over fifteen years with one shoe caused injury (bursitis) of three years, otherwise uninjured, running up to 120 mpw, less than 10% on track or pavement. I can't believe the super accessible paths I run on aren't swarmed with runners, who slog nearby on roads and pavement, but I am glad for it!
High Wire wrote:
My first competitive career ended after seven years in serious injury age 22, mostly due to running on pavement. Second career, successful masters over fifteen years with one shoe caused injury (bursitis) of three years, otherwise uninjured, running up to 120 mpw, less than 10% on track or pavement. I can't believe the super accessible paths I run on aren't swarmed with runners, who slog nearby on roads and pavement, but I am glad for it!
Interesting.
I, like you and Alberto, are also fanatical about running on softer surfaces, and have been for awhile.
Now it's certainly very true that plenty of great runners have run most of their miles on the roads, so for some people it does not seem to be an issue. But those are the very durable types that seem to simply not break down, no matter what they do.
That's not me in the least. When I run grass, or trails it just flat out feels better, and I can run in a lighter shoe, and go longer. On the roads, I feel the impact, and if I start hammering on the roads, after a few days, my legs are just trashed, period. I can train harder and more frequently on the softer surfaces.
Glad to see Alberto agrees.
It really pays off with all the stress fractures it has prevented.
Ritz- multiple SFs
Ulrey- SF femur
Gouchers- SF femur
Begley- multiple SF
Lambie- multiple SF
Allen- SF I think?
Rohatinsky- SF
If none run on the roads, then why the heck are there so many Stress fractures? I know other things cause SF but still you have to wonder.
If running on roads was main contributor than why is there such a strong SF history in this group, even compared to other groups training at similarly high levels with less modalities (like Underwater treadmill and alter-g)?
Cliffs Notes wrote:
Which translates to,
1) poach the best runners in the world.
2) consult with the worlds foremost expert on epo.
3) put athletes on thyroid and asthma meds.
4) give them testoboost and androgel
5) make athletes sign nondisclosure agreements
How did that work for the other 30 some runners who passed through albertos revolving door?
FALSE.
None of these things are involved in Salazar's methods.
Thanks for the interview. That was enlightening. Great questions by the interviewer.
A Duck wrote:
Cliffs Notes wrote:Which translates to,
1) poach the best runners in the world.
2) consult with the worlds foremost expert on epo.
3) put athletes on thyroid and asthma meds.
4) give them testoboost and androgel
5) make athletes sign nondisclosure agreements
How did that work for the other 30 some runners who passed through albertos revolving door?
FALSE.
None of these things are involved in Salazar's methods.
lol
Nice, I can agree on the running surface discrimination. Trails and dirt roads are natural. Kenyans have been known to run in tight circles in tiny parks in big metropolitan cities while awaiting for their race day to approach; they despise roads unless they absolutely must run on it.
statingobvious wrote:
It really pays off with all the stress fractures it has prevented.
Ritz- multiple SFs
Ulrey- SF femur
Gouchers- SF femur
Begley- multiple SF
Lambie- multiple SF
Allen- SF I think?
Rohatinsky- SF
If none run on the roads, then why the heck are there so many Stress fractures? I know other things cause SF but still you have to wonder.
If running on roads was main contributor than why is there such a strong SF history in this group, even compared to other groups training at similarly high levels with less modalities (like Underwater treadmill and alter-g)?
Same reason AlSal had stress fractures..always pushing the envelope...HIGH Mileage and High Intensity..Obviously, he has figured out what each athlete's threshold for volume and intensity is at this point..
The body senses the change of surface, adjusts muscle tension accordingly and the impact profiles are fairly consistent... Ceteris paribus.
I would certainly avoid cambered roads, but the occasional twisted ankle can be just as bad.
I say to vary the surface, vary the shoes and vary the speed
Most of those listed were damaged goods when they came to AlSal (in part because of his success with keeping peeps healthy)
How many SFs for Rupp? Mo? Centro? Ritz in recent years?
Cliffs Notes wrote:
Which translates to,
1) poach the best runners in the world.
2) consult with the worlds foremost expert on epo.
3) put athletes on thyroid and asthma meds.
4) give them testoboost and androgel
5) make athletes sign nondisclosure agreements
How did that work for the other 30 some runners who passed through albertos revolving door?
Yes true! I saw it & have reported it to a major sports magazine. Anyone who says otherwise is clueless.
I'd like to know where they run (100+ miles/week) to avoid the roads. I live very close to Nike and there is a bike path, nature reserve, Hollister and the Berm. All those areas other than the Berm are asphalt.
Cliffs Notes wrote:
Which translates to,
1) poach the best runners in the world. TRUE
2) consult with the worlds foremost expert on epo. TRUE
3) put athletes on thyroid and asthma meds. TRUE
4) give them testoboost and androgel UNKNOWN
5) make athletes sign nondisclosure agreements UNKNOWN
How did that work for the other 30 some runners who passed through albertos revolving door?
FALSE.
None of these things are involved in Salazar's methods.[/quote]
As far as number 5 goes all of his athletes sign nondisclosure agreements. Some of it has to do with him trying to stay ahead of the game though. He works hard to be the best and wants to keep it that way. However, I have had personal conversations with two former athletes of his and they both stated that fishy things happen while you are his athletes. He does give them stuff that they don't know what they are taking and similar stuff like that. He is a control freak and I honestly don't think he was giving them anything that is on the banned list and they agreed. They couldn't disagree that he was giving them something that may get banned down the road. Is it bad if they are taking something that is performance enhancing but not banned? Couldn't he just play the I didn't know card?
lol[/quote][/quote]
High Wire wrote:
Most of those listed were damaged goods when they came to AlSal (in part because of his success with keeping peeps healthy)
How many SFs for Rupp? Mo? Centro? Ritz in recent years?
Almost all of those were injuries within the past 2 years (if they were still running). Goucher had sf in 2011 worlds, ritz 2011, ulrey this year, and on and on.
Rupp and Farah have been injury free. But besides them too, the injury rate is high, especially given the resources.
I don't think there's much evidence that running surface can cause stress fractures, is there? It seems more related to changes in training and nutrition issues (underweight runners).
Bubbadeeboo wrote:
The body senses the change of surface, adjusts muscle tension accordingly and the impact profiles are fairly consistent... Ceteris paribus.
That may be true to some extent, but I don't come close to buying that entirely.
So....you are saying that if I ran on a trampoline, or on a giant wet sponge, there would be no absorption of impact by the surface, and it the impact forces to my body would be exactly equal to running on cement? When I throw a rubber ball on cement and it immediately rockets back up skyward, but then I do the same thing on grass and it comes back more slowly and not as high.....what happened there? My body is not a rubber ball, no, but is it magic or something?
I also understand that if the surface is "too" soft (like deep sand), then one loses potential energy and has to work harder (of course) to leave the ground on each step, thus the muscles work harder (concentrically). This could be a training advantage or disadvantage. (a stimulus of course, but a strain possibly, and not running as efficiently as possible). But there is still certainly absorption of impact forces by the surface, the body it is not having to absorb almost of all those forces being returned immediately by the impact as it would on cement.
I can take my shoes off and immediately run comfortably on grass without any "practice." I can not do this on the roads, and instead immediately feel shock to my feet, quads, and knees. This is not in my head, this is not because of lack of practice, this is not because my body is not working correctly (as you seem to think the body can work). This is because of the lack of absorption of impact by the surface I am running on.
Not exactly rocket science if you ask me.
txRUNNERgirl wrote:
I'd like to know where they run (100+ miles/week) to avoid the roads. I live very close to Nike and there is a bike path, nature reserve, Hollister and the Berm. All those areas other than the Berm are asphalt.
My guess is that being pros, they have time to travel a decent way away from Nike for their day to day distance runs. Probably not too far, as they would want to be able to be close by for post-run recovery stuff and access to gym/ice bath/massage/etc. But I doubt they do most of their mileage around the Nike campus itself.
livelikeaballer wrote:
I probably missed a few things, but that's the gist of it.
Altitude is very important.
You have to be able to close in 52/32.