I have spoke to Lagat personally about this (met him in NYC during the 5th Ave Mile), and he told me that he doesn't usually count his miles over 5:30 pace. At the time (2008), he was running 50ish miles a week at 5:30 pace or faster. So he trains at lower mileage, but higher quality. Think a similar training program to how El G used to train.
Sounds like Coe, who ran a LOT more miles than many people care to admit (he didn't count the slow stuff, either).
I've heard this story before wrote:
Sounds like Coe, who ran a LOT more miles than many people care to admit (he didn't count the slow stuff, either).
idiot
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I am so sick of people saying Coe ran way more than he said he did. it is just bullsh!t. Look at the intensity at which he was training. you don't run 100 miles per week at that intensity.
he took 1 day off per week. he was in the gym 2-3 times per week. fast road repetitions. a lot of hill work. fast over-distance work. Marius Bakken was trained by Peter Coe and has copies of Seb's logs. He even asked Peter AND Seb about this subject directly and both stated that when Seb was at his peak in the winter of 1980/1981 and doing his highest volume, he was running 60-70 miles per week. And only a few were that high.
He didn't count warm ups or cool downs. But his warm ups and cool downs were very short and not fast. He didn't have any warms ups for his steady/brisk runs on the road. So add in 10 miles extra and you have 70-80. No more than that. And again, that was at his highest.
Cut the bullsh!t, he was not a high mileage runner. He focused on intensity of training.
I think lagat may have been able to run a couple seconds faster in the 5k if he ran more mileage however would not have had the longevity of career which is the reason he can be considered an all time great!
80 mpw is high mileage.
Maybe he'd have become injured and achieved a lot loss.
People say "do more miles", but there's a combination of intensity of volume that will lead to injury for everyone...
yyy wrote:
80 mpw is high mileage.
idiot
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if 80 is high then what is 100 or 120 or 130 that galen and mo do, or the 140+ that some marathoners do?
And learn to read. Coe did a MAXIMUM of 80 IF you count slow trotting warm up/warm down mileage, for a FEW weeks in the winter of 1980/1981. Maximum, A few times. If you count slow non beneficial warm up/warm down mileage. But for mileage hogs I guess they'll grasp at any straw they can get.
Coe's winter high over the course of his career was around 60.
for an 800m runner 80 mpw is pretty. What do you think
Johnny Gray did???
* wrote:
He could have been a World Champion.
He could have been one of the fastest 1500m runners ever.
Now a to-be-formed Moroccan Anti Doping Administration will spend over a decade of resources with the express purpose of smearing their national hero, guilty or not, and eventually get the old man to tap out, making Lagat an Olympic Champion.
High mileage is not the answer to more success in the middle distances. Yes, the 5000M requires more endurance but in championship meets like the Olympics or Worlds, it is all tactical. Legat has won his share of tactical races.
The fact that Legat's weekly mieage is not excessive is a testimate to his longetivity. His success this year alone at his age is surprising.
how many mile per week? time to throw that one in the garbage. there is so much variety in the quality and counting methods that it makes no sense.
try this 70 mile per week schedule. - build up
--------------morning--------------------------
3 miles in 15 min. every day except sunday
then 6x150m easy/brisk strides walk back recovery
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=================afternoon==========================
monday
7 miles at 5 minute pace on grass and hills (run moderately hard).
tuesday
10 miles in 50 minutes on hills
wednesday
10x800 in 2 minutest flat with 90 second recovery.
thursday
7 miles fartlek
friday
5 miles easy - go party a bit.
saturday
6 x 1 mile in 4:20 - 2 minute recovery
sunday
12 miles on the hills. plus 1 hour running on the spot in the swimming pool.
run 6x150 strides and walk back. stretch and do calisthenics 30 minutes after morning and every workout. vary routine morning and afternoon.
after a nap on tuesday and thursday afternoons, hit the gym for 90 minutes intense core work / specific / support muscles.
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2 x evening yoga an hour.
morning workouts = 3*6 = 18 miles
afternoon workouts = 7+10+5+7+5+6+12 = 52 miles
warm up jog and stride outs are not counted girls!
great schedule huh? you betcha.
longjack wrote:
how many mile per week? time to throw that one in the garbage. there is so much variety in the quality and counting methods that it makes no sense.
try this 70 mile per week schedule. - build up
--------------morning--------------------------
3 miles in 15 min. every day except sunday
then 6x150m easy/brisk strides walk back recovery
------------------------------------------------
=================afternoon==========================
monday
7 miles at 5 minute pace on grass and hills (run moderately hard).
tuesday
10 miles in 50 minutes on hills
wednesday
10x800 in 2 minutest flat with 90 second recovery.
thursday
7 miles fartlek
friday
5 miles easy - go party a bit.
saturday
6 x 1 mile in 4:20 - 2 minute recovery
sunday
12 miles on the hills. plus 1 hour running on the spot in the swimming pool.
run 6x150 strides and walk back. stretch and do calisthenics 30 minutes after morning and every workout. vary routine morning and afternoon.
after a nap on tuesday and thursday afternoons, hit the gym for 90 minutes intense core work / specific / support muscles.
=======================================================
2 x evening yoga an hour.
morning workouts = 3*6 = 18 miles
afternoon workouts = 7+10+5+7+5+6+12 = 52 miles
warm up jog and stride outs are not counted girls!
great schedule huh? you betcha.
Yeah if you want to completely burn out and ruin your career, here you go.
I guess you're calling Sebastian Coe himself a liar:
Martin - x wrote:
As many of you know, I've aruged on several occasions that Coe's weekly mileage totals were much, much lower than assumed. It turns out I was wrong.
Coe was asked by a Finnish reporter if he was still active and fit (which, if you look at him, is self-evident: he's quite thin and looks much younger than his 49 years).
He said: "Yes, I run about 30 miles a week or so and lift weights a couple of times a week."
I asked: "How does that compare to when you were racing?"
He said (laughing) "It's quite different. I was doing about 100 miles a week in twice daily sessions back then."
I said: "As much as that?"
He said: "Well, not every week, but during the bread and butter months, I would get up to 100 miles a week. During track season, it would be much lower, of course, but I would say the average was about 70 miles a week."
Well -- that's it. From the horse's mouth, as it were, to the Let's Run board. Seb ran mileage. Lots of it.
I was wrong.
Martin
I've heard this story before wrote:
Sounds like Coe, who ran a LOT more miles than many people care to admit (he didn't count the slow stuff, either).
Regarding how his miles are counted; this from twitter 3 days ago.
"Only w/ups.. Not c/dwn. Anything over 3 mi counts. “@JeffiBelcher: @Lagat1500 do you count warm up/cool downs when adding up mileage?”"
I believe their is much we can learn from his and Li's training methodology.
Aquafina wrote:
lol oh my god yes yes please give some advice to Bernard Lagat on how to run faster. hilarious!
POD.
longjack wrote:
great schedule huh? you betcha.
glitchmob wrote:
Yeah if you want to completely burn out and ruin your career, here you go.
What? It looked great to me.
I've heard this story before wrote:
I guess you're calling Sebastian Coe himself a liar:
Martin
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Idiot
What part about Marius Bakken having copies of Seb's training logs don't you understand?
Moron
What part of not including easy running in his log do you not get?
Coe himself said he did 100.
Well, he has already run the 2nd fastest 1500m in history. Who knows, maybe with higher mileage he would have been slower. I admittedly don't have any idea what sort of mileage he was running back when he was pushing El G to world records, but remember that he was a 1500 guy until he was well past Farah's current age; he didn't start racing the 3000 and 5000 until later.
Speaking of moron... wrote:
What part of not including easy running in his log do you not get?
Coe himself said he did 100.
Idiot
Do you have copies of Seb's logs? No
Do you know what he recorded? No
Marius Bakken asked Peter AND Seb about this. He was trained by Peter. He has copies of Seb's logs. Both told him the same thing. That he was doing no more than 70 per week at his best in 1980/1981, and only a few weeks were that high. He did not count warm ups and cool downs. Add in 10 per week and you get 80. And only a few times. A far cry from 100.
But I wouldn't expect an imbecile like you with a tiny pea brain to understand that.
Moron