He couldn't handle the 12.3 and ran 14, but nobody went with him. He had the 5th fastest time in the field and won gold. Manzano had the 10th fastest and got silver. Come mon Americans. I know your educational system is weak, but do a little analytical thinking here.
Lotto Man wrote:
agreed. you don't drop a 12-point from 1200 to 1300 and keep it going for another 200 without rigging without a little extra help. look at how badly kiplagat and willis rigged in the last 100 and they weren't even close to the 12 point on the back straightaway. those are 3:29/3:30 guys.
i still think that there must have been some backroom deal that went awry with his earlier dg. as has been speculated on here, the ioc must have said something like we won't bust you if you agree to be dq'ed and he reneged on it. he better have a lot of dixie cups where he lives because wada is going to be knocking on his door a lot.
Nonsense. The rest of the field ran poorly. The 3:28 Kiprop & 3:29 Kiplagat/Chepseba just didn't turn up. The only athlete who ran to his potential was Makhloufi. His closing splits have often been bettered in a championship race and are in keeping with a guy who has run 3:30. It is nowhere near what a 3:26 runner could do.
His last 200m was 26.9 and last 100m was 14.0, both the slowest closing stages to a major 1500 I can think of.
After that initial 12.4 burst on the back straight he was slowing down with every stride due to fatigue. His last lap 100's went ~ 13.8, 12.4, 12.9, 14.0
That is not reflective of someone on drugs. I was there in the stadium and it was clear they were all slowing down horribly in the last 100, Makhloufi included.
Iguider's even more suspicious.
Watch the finals and the semis.
His times and progression aren't the red flags.
This is the difference between looking at stats and watching.
I feel cheated as an American.
I don't feel like that about the 100 or the 10k.
This doesn't sit right.
1st of all. Iguider is not a doper...If u take the time to look at his form as a junior he was unreal..so he has always been around.
Makaloufi's form is down to his 800 and I presume his change of coach to Kaki's group..he hasn't improved by to much over 1500m.
I think Manzano is more suspicious..look at his form in recent championships..terrible.alot worse than Makaloufi;s.
I would have my suspicions about all of Nike's athletes. especially Salazars athletes
How many times do I have to tell you guys that it's not WHAT someone does that is the giveaway, it is HOW they do it.
Just like Blake's 19.26 was last year's most egregiously doped run, so Makhloufi's 1500 is this year's, at least in track. There is also Shiwen in swimming.
Just like Blake simply DECIDED to win, so did Makhloufi.
The list of historical examples is long, and BTW, setting an insane WR is a MANNER of setting a record, or a MANNER of performing.
There is NO WAY that any individual athlete is so much better than their highly-trained competition that they could possibly simply DECIDE to win. It would be plausible if a highly talented and trained athlete competed against less-talented and untrained competitors, but that's simply not the case with these types of competitions.
Makhloufi is dirty as sin, but you can be sure that he doesn't care one bit.
Just to pile on what sprintgeezer wrote above, the "how" is what is important with Makhloufi. In all three of his 1500m races at this Olympics, he won by a significant margin. In two of those cases, the heats, he didn't need to win, and should have been practicing the logical (and expected) strategy of conserving energy.
Does it make sense for the guy with the sixth fastest time in the field to purposely lay waste to everyone in the heats? In the 3:42 heat, I can see it, because it was extremely slow. But when you run 3:35 in a 3:36 semi-final heat loaded with talent? There's no excuse for such a flagrant waste of energy. After all, isn't that why he dropped out of the 800m? So why conserve in that case, but be wasteful elsewhere?
Round 1 - last 400m (hand timed from video)
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13.96
13.25
13.32
14.01
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54.54 (3:35.15 won by 1.4 seconds)
Round 2
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13.53
12.94
12.31
13.45
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52.23 (3:42.24 won by .68 seconds)
Round 3
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13.33
12.51
12.69
14.22
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52.77 (3:34.08 won by .71 seconds, easing up last 80m!)
Finally, I see a lot of people on here defending Makhloufi by saying the rest of the field just happened to suck. Yes, all FIVE of the guys who are faster than Mahkloufi ALL sucked, in ALL three rounds, in slow races, and in fast races. ALL of the major players sucked except a nearly unheard of Algerian who ran the final "injured", and recovers almost instantly from back-to-back 12.x surges delivered from 300m out in two of his three rounds.
MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME.
This is the best case against Mahkloufi that I've seen. You just don't dominate a field like that in all three rounds.
But that being said, it's still not "proof." There's plenty of smoke, just no visible fire. Yet.
John Roberts wrote:
Snotty and not useful.
But accurate.
deanouk wrote:
Lotto Man wrote:agreed. you don't drop a 12-point from 1200 to 1300 and keep it going for another 200 without rigging without a little extra help. look at how badly kiplagat and willis rigged in the last 100 and they weren't even close to the 12 point on the back straightaway. those are 3:29/3:30 guys.
i still think that there must have been some backroom deal that went awry with his earlier dg. as has been speculated on here, the ioc must have said something like we won't bust you if you agree to be dq'ed and he reneged on it. he better have a lot of dixie cups where he lives because wada is going to be knocking on his door a lot.
Nonsense. The rest of the field ran poorly. The 3:28 Kiprop & 3:29 Kiplagat/Chepseba just didn't turn up. The only athlete who ran to his potential was Makhloufi. His closing splits have often been bettered in a championship race and are in keeping with a guy who has run 3:30. It is nowhere near what a 3:26 runner could do.
His last 200m was 26.9 and last 100m was 14.0, both the slowest closing stages to a major 1500 I can think of.
After that initial 12.4 burst on the back straight he was slowing down with every stride due to fatigue. His last lap 100's went ~ 13.8, 12.4, 12.9, 14.0
That is not reflective of someone on drugs. I was there in the stadium and it was clear they were all slowing down horribly in the last 100, Makhloufi included.
his last 200 and 100 are skewed because he clearly jogged it in the last 50. you don't destroy a bunch of 3:30 guys to the point that they are staggering with what looked like next to no effort. they also were immediately following what had to have been a 12 point 100 from 1200 to 1300.
nice try trying to explain it away due to the fact that multiple 3:30 guys just didn't "show up" to an olympic final. right.
The superfast, blowaway first heat is a major red flag. Rashid Ramzi did the same thing when he was juiced on CERA. When doped up, guys have a hard time holding themselves back because they feel so good compared to when they ran clean. They hit the gas pedal and suddenly have 8 cylinders instead of their usual 4 cylinders. They end up blasting away at the competition and look like they just did the first 1500 in a 6x1500 10k workout. Ramzi did the same thing. He was so doped up he could not contain himself and trashed the competition while looking like he was jogging. Leo was in major pain at the finish as was Willis in 2008. Makhloufi looked fresh and ready for another rep when he crossed the finish line.
Maybe his coach just targeted working on closing speed?
Someone in another thread mentioned 2 Algerian dopers total (I could only find one).Also, one of the best running vertical jumps belongs to an Algerian, Kadour Ziani (although his nationality is technically French): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GszNJ1NCWo
Raptured wrote:
To play devil's advocate, Algeria hasn't actually had many convicted dopers, have they?
orbitboy wrote:
This is the best case against Mahkloufi that I've seen. You just don't dominate a field like that in all three rounds.
But that being said, it's still not "proof." There's plenty of smoke, just no visible fire. Yet.
The suspension comes from the way he ran, his form. People run faster when they can run just as relaxed while running a quicker pace. Its credited to Rudisha it loos like he's jogging the first lap of his 800.
The way that guy took off in the 15, you just dont see people being able to hold that, his form looks like he is sprinting, yet he doesnt tire.
What about Manzano then He hasn't been anything special...12th last year at worlds and many times, not even making the finals. Take out the Algerian and he wins gold by BLASTING by everyone in a period of about 7-8 seconds. If he had a North African name, what would you say about him?
Obviously... wrote:
What about Manzano then He hasn't been anything special...12th last year at worlds and many times, not even making the finals. Take out the Algerian and he wins gold by BLASTING by everyone in a period of about 7-8 seconds. If he had a North African name, what would you say about him?
Manzano survived because he was the only guy(besides Centro) who didn't go all in with 300 left. So manzano closed well, while everyone else was epicly tying up.
I compare his 1500 win to if a teg in the 10k was to come in and just demolish the field.
Obviously... wrote:
What about Manzano then He hasn't been anything special...12th last year at worlds and many times, not even making the finals. Take out the Algerian and he wins gold by BLASTING by everyone in a period of about 7-8 seconds. If he had a North African name, what would you say about him?
You take the winner out and it's a completely different race, ironically. Leo may not have even medaled.
The Norwegian dude certainly ran to (beyond?) his potential for fifth.
this comparison is a stretch.
orbitboy wrote:
Obviously... wrote:What about Manzano then He hasn't been anything special...12th last year at worlds and many times, not even making the finals. Take out the Algerian and he wins gold by BLASTING by everyone in a period of about 7-8 seconds. If he had a North African name, what would you say about him?
You take the winner out and it's a completely different race, ironically. Leo may not have even medaled.
Very true !
The runners inthe last lap may not have surged and blow their wad so early. If you asked Manzano I bet he had high suspicion that the Arab fook was doped to the gills. So Manzano knew he couldn't beat him therefore he hung back and focused on getting second place.
Case close your Honor!