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nasda wrote:

You see, I've worked on 100% commission for years, and sometimes you have to do things where you don't get paid right away. The pay comes from the exposure you get and referrals later on. Sometimes you might not get paid at all but if you help someone in a small way, that's pay enough.

So, you're saying you've never done a truly charitable thing in your life!? That explains everything, really.

Brent. wrote:

nasda wrote:

You see, I've worked on 100% commission for years, and sometimes you have to do things where you don't get paid right away. The pay comes from the exposure you get and referrals later on. Sometimes you might not get paid at all but if you help someone in a small way, that's pay enough.

So, you're saying you've never done a truly charitable thing in your life!? That explains everything, really.

Where did I "say", or imply that? or maybe re-read the last sentence, since you skipped over it because it didn't fit your needs.

Your heart may be in the right place, but you are way too defensive when questioned or asked to expand on any point, which only raises suspicions.

Best of luck, hopefully the experience will help to thicken your skin.

nasda wrote:

Where did I "say", or imply that? or maybe re-read the last sentence, since you skipped over it because it didn't fit your needs.

Reading it all, together, gives the picture clearly. You are all about getting paid even when you "don't get paid".

Your heart may be in the right place, but you are way too defensive when questioned or asked to expand on any point, which only raises suspicions.

Common sure got a lot further with getting information than you did, now didn't he? Perhaps it was the way he asked as opposed to the way you did. Think that may have something to do with it? Perhaps?

Best of luck, hopefully the experience will help to thicken your skin.

My skin is much thicker than you think. I just don't like you.

redux wrote:

This isn't helping anyone.

I slightly disagree. It will hopefully help nasda to see he wasn't very nice in his initial post, not to mention illogical.

Well, was going to let it go but here's one more.

Whether you think I am nice, is completely irrelevant to your cause. You feel it is illogical because you choose to interpret it only in a way that suits you. In fact, as stated earlier in the thread, much of this endeavor seems to revolve around you, you, you.

nasda wrote:

You feel it is illogical because you choose to interpret it only in a way that suits you.

Your first post was illogical.

So, this is a charity thing, huh? Well, the photographer (you nicely put in quotes) should be free. But, why doesn't the book pub. company have to do it for free? But, then, the photo paper supply company has to do it for free also. And wait! The time I spend on the net trying to get something done for this charity should also be free. Better call my ISP. I'll also have to get my electric bill reduced. Man, come to think of it, my rent should also be reduced while I do this.

In fact, as stated earlier in the thread, much of this endeavor seems to revolve around you, you, you.

It was my idea, my suggestion, and my initiative. Yep! Me, me, me. Very perceptive of you, nasda.

redux wrote:

I was one of the first people to start asking how we could help but considering your bad attitude I will not be participating in this project. You're welcome.

While all the talk of helping CG was great, it was just that talk. It took someone to step forward and initiate action for something to get done.

In reading the original thread I kept thinking that the chances of something actually happening were pretty low. There were too many people involved and we do not know each other here on LR. It is like the crowd mentality. Everyone standing around talking, waiting for someone else to step forward and take action. Brent stepped forward.

I find it hard to believe that folks are criticizing Brent. If you don't like him or his plan, come up with something else.

redux wrote:

I was one of the first people to start asking how we could help but considering your bad attitude I will not be participating in this project. You're welcome.

I'm sorry to hear that. Do you think nasda was really being either nice or fair?

joho wrote:

If you don't like him or his plan, come up with something else.

This reminds me of something, I think, Mark Twain said. Someone asked him if he would take part in a debate. He said sure, as long as he could take the negative side. When asked why even when he didn't know the topic, he replied that it was easier because you didn't have to prepare anything.

Anyway, I'm outta here.

Please, even to nasda and others, don't overlook the fact that I've stated explicitly, not only here but several days ago in the CG thread, that it doesn't have to be "my way or the highway". It was, and is, my vision and something from my heart. That should be obvious. To not take exception to some words and attitudes would be very hard. I have a way which I think is best to get this done. I want very much to persuade others. But I've also made it clear that I can't do it myself. If it comes down to sacrificing the project, obviously I'll step out of the way.

Everyone else please go ahead and decide how to proceed.

Umm. Did you actually notice that he said I operated, and I quote, "like the scum running charity operations chronicled in threads here?"

And that, in his very first post to me. While I was busy being transparent, which he then said I wasn't. Just curious if you missed that detail.

Redux, those are exactly my feelings. I'm sorry if people think I'm being negative, but that's not my intent. I'm trying to explain to Brent how his project is being perceived. I'd prefer he took the constructive criticism and did something with it instead of feeling angry, but that's his call.

I think Brent has a good idea, but I also know that there are hundreds of photographers across the United States that do charity sessions gratis, and I can see examples of their work online, which makes me feel good about my donation. I don't get that from this project, so I hesitate to donate. It's not just me feeling that, which is my entire point.

Regardless, I would rather let CG and his family decide to use my donation to get a photographer than have someone decide that for them. They may not have financial needs for medical treatments, but they certainly have financial needs. I would prefer to donate in a way that allows CG and his family to use funds in the way that best serves their needs.

Common, thank you for disregarding my life story explanation, not only for how this all unfolded, but also in regards to why it was difficult to explain, knowing that some think I'm only asking a friend for personal reasons, and that they will still think it expensive, and why it would be hard to show why my friend would be better for the shooting. But, not only do I thank you for that, you've also said I was defensive and not taking "constructive criticism" well as I, very, very openly explained everything. That is simply alter-universe, common.

But it gets better. You've also disregarded that I said it doesn't have to be my way, that I asked Weldon if he'd like me to hand this over to LRC, and that I said as much several days ago in another thread, etc., etc., etc.

You also disregarded my questions to you as to why it is wrong for someone so "involved" and with such a "personal interest" to head up this or similar things.

So, while your superficial words are "kind", you clearly are being no more nice or fair to me than was nasda, who called me scum from the beginning.

Another few quick questions that you'll probably disregard:

You've accused me of being angry, attempting to paint me as being biased, defensive (while I shared my life story) and trying to get my way. Is there never a good reason to be angry? Was I wrong to be angry to be called scum? Am I wrong to be angry that you are manipulating my transparency, which began well before your interrogation? Am I wrong to be angry that you've just completely acted as if the words I've typed, saying, even from days ago, that things don't have to go my way?

Waiting for a reply, common.

Brent. wrote:

Am I wrong to be angry that you've just completely acted as if the words I've typed, saying, even from days ago, that things don't have to go my way?

Am I wrong to be angry that you've just completely acted as if the words I've typed, saying, even from days ago, that things don't have to go my way, don't even exist?

Common, did you miss the link to my friend's work?

This thread needs to be suspended until a concrete idea is formed that everyone agrees on.

Nothing is getting done with the bickering that is happening. I want to help, even if it's just an anonymous book of handwritten notes/anecdotes from LRC that shares experiences that may give hope to CG. I haven't posted on the 'Breaking 20 Thread' but I have followed it and must say that I've been inspired.

Free is the best way to get people on. Giving people an option to donate what ever they want after the initial donation seems like a good way to go.

It's not the amount we spend on something for Cancer Guy. It's the content.

Wow.

Joining this late, but Brent you aren't coming across well on this thread.

You seem to have a talent of only reading words on sentences that you can twist to suit your need to be a victim.

Reading the posts, then your responses to them made me go back and.reread everything to try and figure out how you interpreted it the way you did and I still can't figure it out.

Maybe you need some sleep. Go relax and maybe you'll think clearer after you sleep.

+1I want to donate, but the idea that you keep your "friend"'s identity so secretive is ODD. I'm also certain that there are great photographers in the USA, including in Texas, where CG lives, so it's ridiculous to pay for someone's travel expenses from Canada.I don't like the idea of you "pushing" your friend from Canada, who just seems like a regular photographer to me. You also seem to have ZERO sense of aesthetics (I checked your blogs, poorly designed, worst than LRC), so you should NOT be the one recommending a photographer.

Sorry. I see it completely opposite.

Was I defensive with common to begin with? Or angry?

I said I was pissed because of the way people go for the least common denominator all the time, while sacrificing quality. I also later attempted to clarify that it wasn't said in hopes of getting my way, but just a general comment about people's way of thinking.

Honestly, point out how you read where I was being defensive or angry with common (at first, now I'm clearly not very happy with him) and I'll clarify or apologize.

I've already made clear why nasda was asking for it.