Rudisha's 1:42.12 NEW ALTITUDE WR!!!

Even if 800 isn't affected by altitude as much as longer events, the dude still ran 1:42 low in an unpaced race and destroyed a field of some of the planet's greatest runners by over a second.

Jurgis Rudkus wrote:

Even if 800 isn't affected by altitude as much as longer events, the dude still ran 1:42 low in an unpaced race and destroyed a field of some of the planet's greatest runners by over a second.

this year rush-d should be ok. next year may be fun.

Botswana’s middle distance runner (800m) Nijel Amos

here is a guy that can run 45 400m with great aerobic ability. and with a 143.1 this year.

i'm not going to believe the age = 18 however.

we could be looking at a couple of guys running 141 and several more with 142 in sight.

check it.

Running on Empathy wrote:FYI - the 800 isn't considered an altitude-affected event. It's considered a "tweener", where runners are neither advantaged (as in sprints) or disadvantaged.

no

no one has said that it is 0 disadvantage, just some gut feeling

some hard numbers :

nairobia at 5450' ( 1661m ) according to wiki

ncaa tables

( which don't say anywhere that it doesn't count for kenyans )

give denver as nearest elevation at 5279'

that says a 1'48.69 clocking is handicapped by 0.69 or 1'48.00 basic

therefore disadvantage ratio is 108.69/108.00

now, i don't believe those tables factor in lower air resistance, only hypoxia on aeobic metabolism

2nd factor is wind/altitude calculator :

a 1'42.12 is 51.06 x2

51.06 at 1661m is 51.44 basic or helping ratio of 51.06/51.44

therefore rudy's sea-level time was ~

1'42.12 * (108.69/108.00) * (51.06/51.44) =

1'42.01

i'd say nairobi handicapped him by 0.1s overall

it is different situation for mexico where i'd expect handicap to be lot more

crazy person wrote:Paul Koech better get the frickin wild card for the steeplechase after running the 3rd best time ever this year.

Paul is the one person, more than anyone in track, that I want to see with a gold medal. I really hope they let him on the team as well. They probably will, since at this point in the season he looks like a lock to be ranked #1 in the world, but they may give it to Mateelong. Mateelong finished better and has more hardware.

longjack wrote:we could be looking at a couple of guys running 141 and several more with 142 in sight

i don't see aman as a 1'41 guy anytime soon ( probably not in his whole career ) - maybe a low/mid-1'42 career pb - now "wow" factor

this botswanana, only seen snippet of his finish

too early to say, but again, not a country known for running over 400 - maybe a mid-1'42 again next coupla years, but again, 1'41 wow factor - maybe he has it, maybe not

13:09.80 in Nairobi! last day to bettered Isaac Songok's 5K altitude best this year! Is there any proof that this race is real?? Pictures or wathever... It looks as fishy as trafeh's 13:32...

Joking apart, 13:09 in Nairobi is damn good! (even Soi & Longosiwa 13:11!!) How would M. ventolin convert that ? a line for him ? (he also ran 3:38 all alone over 1500m in Nairobi this year).

ChairmaN wrote:13:09.80 in Nairobi! last day to bettered Isaac Songok's 5K altitude best this year!Joking apart, 13:09 in Nairobi is damn good! (even Soi & Longosiwa 13:11!!) How would M. ventolin convert that ? a line for him ? (he also ran 3:38 all alone over 1500m in Nairobi this year).

handicap of 14'11.91 with 24.91 -> (13'47.00/14'11.91)

advantage of (63.56/63.18)

basic = 13'09.8 x above 2 ->

12'51.3 !!!

in a tactical race as well ( although i believe a dnf kenyan took it out hard ) !

those 3 kenyans have to be well below 12'50 in a perfect race at sea-level

it also seems isiah has got his kick back as he took out 1++s on the others in the sprint

the kenyans coud get sniff of gold

ventolin^3 wrote:some hard numbers :

nairobia at 5450' ( 1661m ) according to wiki

ncaa tables

( which don't say anywhere that it doesn't count for kenyans )

give denver as nearest elevation at 5279'

http://www.letsrun.com/2010/altitude0224.php

that says a 1'48.69 clocking is handicapped by 0.69 or 1'48.00 basic

therefore disadvantage ratio is 108.69/108.00

now, i don't believe those tables factor in lower air resistance, only hypoxia on aeobic metabolism

2nd factor is wind/altitude calculator :

http://www.letsrun.com/2010/altitude0224.php

a 1'42.12 is 51.06 x2

51.06 at 1661m is 51.44 basic or helping ratio of 51.06/51.44

therefore rudy's sea-level time was ~

1'42.12 * (108.69/108.00) * (51.06/51.44) =

1'42.01

i'd say nairobi handicapped him by 0.1s overall

it is different situation for mexico where i'd expect handicap to be lot more

correction :

those ratios need to be inversed

1'42.22

Just noticed the USATF Olympic Trials site 800 meters heat page doesn't list Rudisha as the WR holder. It shows Kipketer's 1:41:11 as the record. Good job USATF.

ventolin^3 wrote:handicap of 14'11.91 with 24.91 -> (13'47.00/14'11.91)

advantage of (63.56/63.18)

basic = 13'09.8 x above 2 ->

12'51.3 !!!

in a tactical race as well ( although i believe a dnf kenyan took it out hard ) !

i believe most sensible posters woud agree with that number ( the kenyans have been training flat-out for this race & isiah did run 12'53i last year which has to be good few secs faster outdoors )

using same method for keino's 3'34.91 at mexico ( 2250m / 7381' ) whose nearest US city is larami at 7212'

only mile is quoted, but that's close enough to 1500m

factor 1 : (3'59.00/4'08.75)

factor 2 : (57.91/57.31)

with 3'34.91 x above 2 -> basic of

3'28.64 !!!

considering it was tactical race with significant uneveness ( 60 + 55... ) & solo for 2 last laps, that looks close to 3'27-flat

ryun finished almost exactly 3s behind

that gives him ~ 3'30.0 following a year of poor form after getting mono & this run was well below his '67 form

indicates ryun was <<3'30 in '67 when he was always beating keino ( & big time )

There's a reason the NCAA didn't include the 800 in it's altitude adjusted time tables.

Running on Empathy wrote:There's a reason the NCAA didn't include the 800 in it's altitude adjusted time tables.

look again

Here is the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PajAbOcGWTE

i gotta get me rudy's hat at 3'11 in !!!

super* wrote:

Actually since testing became more stringent, only East Africans, some Europeans and Americans (Caribs included) have been dominating the track. So fill in the blanks dude. Lets celebrate the sport and look forward to the Olympics.

But they've got faster since testing became more 'stringent'.

That was the Jamaican excuse for becoming dominant - they cracked down on those nasty cheating Americans. But they all run faster than those nasty cheating Yanks nowadays? Odd stuff.

It's also odd that the super drop in distance WRs coincided with the known EPO boom in cycling. I appreciate the people from East Africa are genetically programmed not to cheat, and that it doesn't work on them anyway, but it's an interesting coincidence.

idiot

rudy is probably most tested guy apart from bolt/gatlin

how's he getting away with all the -ve tests ???

ventolin^3 wrote:

Running on Empathy wrote:There's a reason the NCAA didn't include the 800 in it's altitude adjusted time tables.

look again

Well I'll be ...... when did the NCAA start to include the 800 in it's altitude adjustment tables? I don't remember the 800 being included back in the 90's. We sure didn't get an adjustment for our 4 x 800 team.

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