Kyle Merber 3:35.59 is NOT the American Collegiate Record

who cares

Linsanity wrote:

LetsRun.....Put up something with no research like "Merber runs American Collegiate Record!!"

Actually do research and take it down the next day.

Track and Field, the "Bible of the Sport", will recognize Merber's run as the American collegiate record. This does not come down to research. This comes down how you define collegiate records.

Marks Made Outside Regular Collegiate Season

Track Events

400 43.86(A) Lee Evans (San José State) Mexico City, Mexico 12/31/69

800 1:43.74 Earl Jones (Eastern Michigan) Los Angeles, California 6/19/84

1500 3:33.07 Kip Cheruiyot' (Mt. St. Mary’s) Grosseto, Italy 8/10/86

[American CR 3:33.1 Jim Ryun (Kansas) Los Angeles, California 7/08/67]

Mile 3:50.34 Todd Harbour (Baylor) Oslo, Norway 7/11/81

3000 7:32.1 Henry Rono' (Washington St) Oslo, Norway 6/27/78

10,000 27:22.47 Henry Rono' (Washington St) Vienna, Austria 6/11/78

Field Events

Hammer 82.56 | 270-10 Balázs Kiss' (USC) Veszprém, Hungary 8/23/95

PLEASE NOTE DATE

February 02, 2012

Herb Elliot ran 3:35.6 to set the 1500 WR at the 1960 Rome Olympics at age 22.

Bang-pop Go wrote:

Herb Elliot ran 3:35.6 to set the 1500 WR at the 1960 Rome Olympics at age 22.

Cool story bro

Merber's 1500 is the record as I see it. It was done during the college season representing his school. Those bogus after the season in Europe records should not be considered. How do we know those guys weren't on drugs, the track was accurate, special funding (yes I am looking at your Galen) provided by outside sources,etc?

At least there can be no debate: The 70's Jogger headband Record.

26mi235 wrote:

So you can never set a collegiate record when you are representing your country, even if it is in the middle of the collegiate season and you are competing as a collegiate?

That scenario doesn't happen ... outdoors.

But Paul Ereng set the indoor NCAA (and world record) at the Indoor World Championships while representing Kenya.

He won NCAA's a week later.

Perfect example of your question.

He ran the fastest time ever by a collegiate, during the collegiate season but did not represent his school or wear a UVA uniform.

He meets TNFN rules for a collegiate record but not my rules.

It seems that the rule is pretty clear. You have to run the time while the NCAA season is still in session and you can't be a redshirt or unattached. So if you compete for your country it still counts for example on trfss if you are still competing for your team that season.

As far as I can tell NCAA only keeps books on Champoinship Records.

Any other list can have as many or as few rule as the compiler choses.

I'm fine with a list that ends with the NCAA Nationals. Add a window for the USATF Nations and I'm still ok.

A strong arguement and I might see up until USATF Nats in the USA as OK. I maybemight be kind of ok with "in the USA until end Aug" with a great arguement.

If we get into stuff like being a field filler in a prorace overseas or while traveling on a National Team it gets harder for me to connect to College Record.

Thinking HS lists go to 30 june and windows for the major HS/Club invites after . You run with the pros it is not a HSR. You can put it on an all-comers agegroup record list if you want. .

but I'm just me.

'70s, not 70's.

Reality Bath wrote:

At least there can be no debate: The 70's Jogger headband Record.

College basketball players do not get collegiate statistical credit for points scored in national team or AAU events.

College baseball players do not get collegiate statistical credit for home runs hit in the Olympics.

College swimmers players do not set NCAA records in the Olympics.

Etc.

The runner needs to be wearing his collegiate jersey, period.

Analogies wrote:

College basketball players do not get collegiate statistical credit for points scored in national team or AAU events.

College baseball players do not get collegiate statistical credit for home runs hit in the Olympics.

College swimmers players do not set NCAA records in the Olympics.

Etc.

The runner needs to be wearing his collegiate jersey, period.

None of those sports are running, how are they relevant?

o.O wrote:

None of those sports are running, how are they relevant?

They are collegiate sports that keep collegiate sports records. That's pretty damn relevant.

And nice run-on sentence.

goes to the mindset of the NCAA your honor

o.O wrote:

None of those sports are running, how are they relevant?

I think the record should only be recognized if competing exclusively against college competition. Having pros in the race should mean it's not an NCAA competition.

Thanks for letting us know how you feel, Centro.

Merber has the record and deserves it. He ran the time in season, in his school jersey. Good for him!

what??? no wrote:

Thanks for letting us know how you feel, Centro.

Merber has the record and deserves it. He ran the time in season, in his school jersey. Good for him!

Lots of random thoughts so here goes.

Actually, he didn't actually run the record in season. The meet at Swarthmore was the day after the qualifying for D1 regionals ended.

So if people are going to use the other sport analogies, Merber ran fast in the equivalent of an all-star game. He scored 100 in an all-star game but not an official NBA game. So by your logic, it shouldn't count.

And actually by track and field news' logic as well as this race was "outside of the regular collegiate season" which is why they had ruled out Ryun's 3:31.

Read more:

Look Merber is the man and I don't want to come across as some 65 year old complaining about how it used to be back in the day but that Swarthmore meet is in many ways the definition of what is wrong with the sport today.

There is no set schedule the guys/teams have to do. Everyone at all levels of the sport does what is in their absolute best interest - not the sport's best interest.

Back in the day, Sydney Maree ran 3:37 at the ic4a meet in front of what I assume was a big crowd. Now the guys are skipping that meet to run in front of 50 people at swarthmore.

To me, what makes track popular is the significance of the race. This swarthmore race is significant only because Merber ran 3:35. If Brannen had run 3:35, would anyone have cared? No because he's done that before. this race is significant because an uknown did it and it was unexpected.

And I'm not sure what the solution is. I mean the focus on times comes from the IAAF which has these As and Bs. I mean in many ways the whole US Olympic Trials are a farce. In reality, 5-7 people are battling it out in a lot of events for 3 spots.

The IAAF should give the US 3 spots in most events and anyone who is top 3 can go - period.

As for collegiate records, I guess you could have different critera but to me anything done before you are done with collegiately eligibility should count - whether it's in season or not. But I hadn't thought about "wearing the jersey" idea either.

I guess you could have different things for "non tradition college season" if you wanted to list it - sort of like HS races only - but I guess by that logic Merber's would be no different than Centrowitz's as his time was irrelevant to NCAA D1 season.

In my mind, I think it's Ryun #1.

Centro #2.

Merber #3.

But was Wheating out of eligibility when he ran his 3:30? Didn't he have cross? Did he have track?

rojo, the fact that you comment on any threads speaks to your insanity.