A Man wrote:
How does one "appropriately" raise the issue of gender? What would make it appropriate in Griner's case?
The IOC did away with gender testing in 1999, but the IOC's medical commission reserved the right to request a gender test on a one-off basis. It's highly unlikely that Griner would be subjected to any such test based on anything that's been offered on this thread so far.
My understanding is that all it takes to compel a gender test is for a competing federation to request one.
Have you got a source for that? I'd appreciate having it; I try to keep up to date. Thanks!
That's a man baby!
Baylor's Brittney Griner breaks wrist in longboard accident
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/othersports/2018177160_digs10.html
A Man wrote:
Have you got a source for that? I'd appreciate having it; I try to keep up to date. Thanks!
No, I can't find what triggers an IOC test. I may have been confusing the IAAF policy, which will test on the complaint of a member federation (it was what caused the Semenya testing in Berlin). Apparently the IOC had a big meeting im Miami in 2010 where they agreed to establish "gender testing centers" but I cannot find either an official policy statement or any follow-up to the Miami meeting.
I think a federation has to file a complaint.
Wow, 'her' talking to reporters from the link on the first page--the voice indicates a man 99%, as do the looks 90%.
Mr. Obvious wrote: I may have been confusing the IAAF policy, which will test on the complaint of a member federation (it was what caused the Semenya testing in Berlin).
Without meaning to be too pushy, have you got a source for that statement either? I'd be overwhelmingly, mind-bogglingly, stunningly surprised if one federation could compel gender testing of another federation's athlete just by asking, whether we're talking IAAF or IOC.
I'm sure that several member federations asked/complained about Semenya. But that wasn't what "caused" the testing. If USATF went to the IAAF tomorrow and said "We have doubts about Athlete X, please test her gender," I don't think there's anything that forces the IAAF to oblige.
hold the phone wrote:
Without meaning to be too pushy, have you got a source for that statement either? I'd be overwhelmingly, mind-bogglingly, stunningly surprised if one federation could compel gender testing of another federation's athlete just by asking, whether we're talking IAAF or IOC.
I'm sure that several member federations asked/complained about Semenya. But that wasn't what "caused" the testing. If USATF went to the IAAF tomorrow and said "We have doubts about Athlete X, please test her gender," I don't think there's anything that forces the IAAF to oblige.
It uses the language "can be asked" but it is clear that a challenge triggers some sort of action:
http://www.iaaf.org/mm/document/imported/36983.pdfTo address the issue raised in the 1st link about "gender assumptions," what some feminists (especially those who aren't athletes) don't want to admit is that gender testing exists to protect women's sports and the great majority of women athletes.
Sports are segregated, unlike almost everything else these days, because the best women can't compete with the best men. If there were only unisex sports teams, almost no women would have the opportunity to compete.
If, for example, a man could choose to apply to be a scholarship athlete on a men's or women's college track teams, there are plenty of men who are faster than most women and would be willing to run on the "women's" track team in return for a free college education. So you have to segregate to preserve women's sports.
Given the various permutations in biology, there are difficult cases where some people may have some of the typical physical characteristics of both men and women. But you still have to draw the line somewhere in order to protect women's sports. If there is no line, it hurts women's sports.
I have no idea about Brittney Griner in particular, but there is nothing wrong with having a requirement that you be a biological woman according to a particular definition in order to be eligible to compete in women's sports. You can argue about what that definition should be or where the line should be drawn, but there has to be a line somewhere.
Protecting Women's Sports wrote:
I have no idea about Brittney Griner in particular, but there is nothing wrong with having a requirement that you be a biological woman according to a particular definition in order to be eligible to compete in women's sports. You can argue about what that definition should be or where the line should be drawn, but there has to be a line somewhere.
with the political situation on campus lately, that line probably barely exists. I had a professor laugh at me for suggesting that differences between male and female body chemistry cause the difference in male and female voices.
Her position (as a prof of Italian) was that it was 100% societally caused. society forced women to speak in higher tones.
Since I last posted on this topic I have learned of the following IOC regulations for the London Olympics. I could not find them when I was asked:
If you saw Britney punch that 8itch a couple years ago, it would be pretty obvious she is a girl. No guy punches like that.
agip wrote:
I had a professor laugh at me for suggesting that differences between male and female body chemistry cause the difference in male and female voices.
Her position (as a prof of Italian) was that it was 100% societally caused. society forced women to speak in higher tones.
This reminds me that BITD there was speculation--not assertion, but serious speculation--that the difference in average body size between men and women was also societally determined, and that a six-footer like Ti-Grace Atkinson was simply an example of a woman who had not allowed societal expectations to stunt her growth.
I will say that the *degree* of difference between the pitches of male and female voices may be partly a social construct--the voices of deaf men and women, for instance, don't differ as much in pitch--but your Italian prof was full of prunes if she really asserted that the difference was 100% societal.
pics?
It looks like a lot of people are googling Brittney Griner gender test after her loss today as this thread is "hot" right now.
It makes sense as anyone who watched her interviews tonight likely was stunned by how deep her voice is. It reminds me of the Caster Semenya situation years ago.
This has to me be about one of the dumbest questions.......I heard that her mother is sick, maybe she just wants to stay healthy.........to much is put into this gender thing, it would take a lot of people to cover that up. I say let one of the best female athletes along........i support Britney Griner..............
This has to me be about one of the dumbest questions.......I heard that her mother is sick, maybe she just wants to stay healthy.........to much is put into this gender thing, it would take a lot of people to cover that up. I say let one of the best female athletes along........i support Britney Griner..............
It's not the first time I see hateful, misogynist, insecure cowardly threads on this site accusing female athletes of being male.
Guess what? People on here foam at the mouth over this because: runners are the most emasculate, devoid of muscle, puny-looking people out there. So, get over the threat of your non-existent masculinity that buff, built female athletes pose. Go cry in your mommy's skirt your muscles are teeny tiny. It's not their fault. It's your fault. It's how you train, how you eat, how you live. Athlete doesn't have to be puny and weak like you to qualify as female.
I wonder if griner still has the undescended testicles it was born with?