There are a lot of fast guys in the 800 right now. Sure Symmonds and KD have had a lock on the top 2 spots for awhile and usually it's a battle for the 3rd spot, but now I don't know. It can be anyone. I wonder if they are all feeling the pressure yet?
Speaking on the current Americans that is pretty good 400 speed. But it wasn't all that many years ago that Mark Everett ran 44.59 for an open 400. He also owns an 800 PR of 1:43.2
While I doubt that either Symmonds, KD or Andrews could run faster than DS. His flat 400 speed probably pales next to a number of Kenyans.
Like maybe the world record holder at 45.50. How pale indeed.
Oldtimefan wrote:
While I doubt that either Symmonds, KD or Andrews could run faster than DS. His flat 400 speed probably pales next to a number of Kenyans.
You mean the Kenyan record holder. Point understood though.
Yeah Mulder is looking good right now
It's a toss up again this year. I look at Charles Jock, Cory Primm, and Khadevis Robinson to do well at Oxy, win the OT, and move on to London.
There is a video of the race on runnerspace I believe. He didn't start in blocks and looked like he was just coasting in at the end,
Mulder and Solomon are going to be tough. Andrews and Jock are going to be tough. Symmonds will hopefully win/make the team because he's by far our best chance at a medal. KD is really good and has a great shot although he can't make it through the rounds in London and will be a waste of a spot. The younger guys will at least get the experience. I put the rest of the contenders in the same category: Rutt, Primm, Loxsom, Borchers, Wieczorek, Gagnon, Novak, Greer, Martin, McHenry, Smith...
There's one big name people are forgetting: Jacob Hernandez. He has the talent to make the team.
Wheating, Torrence, and Lomong can also run an 800.
You're obviously not a true track fan. I don't care if someone breaks a barrier by .01 or .02 sec then he is a 45.98 open 400m runner. So keep your stupid remarks and stop wasting true track fans time reading your garbage!....
Out-of-Wedlock-Danny wrote:
first off-45.98 is essentially 46flat. he's a 46 400 runner.
second off, almost every guy in the world who can go 1.44 and below can do that.
the 45 first two digit handle makes him SOUND faster. don't get cute.
Anyone that bets against Symmonds is just not a student of history. Nick Symmonds, U.S. championship races: '06, r/u; '07, r/u; '08, champ; '09; champ; '10, champ; '11, champ. Finally, in 2012, he split 1:43 in a relay leg. Tell me anybody else that's touched that yet. Boom. End of discussion.
Nick Symmonds is a great competitior; however, it's not like the rest of the U.S squad have been competing at a very high level. It's a rarity that U.S athletes run sub 1:43 and the moment they return to that level Nick's domination of the U.S title could very well end.
Duane Solomon opened this year outdoors with a 1:45.83 and that's faster then he ran in over a dozen meets outdoors in 2011 with a 1:44.86 season best. While it's not guaranteed it would seem that Duane is primed for a 1:43 and 1:44 low at the very least in 2012. The 800m is top runners can emerge and fall off just as quick but I would be willing to bet Duane will fight for the U.S. Olympic 800m title in 2012!
Surprisingly to me, Solomon has never broken 1:45. He has all the tools, and I look for HUGE things from his this year....1:43.high to 1:44.low. I can see the team being Symmonds, Mulder and Solomon.
Solomon? Really? Anyone that's talking about Symmonds' age and, without irony, then mentions Solomon is delusional. They're a year apart, and championship races are all about competition. Symmonds has shown his mastery; Solomon has not (Indoors does not count).
Certain to shine in London are Charles Jock, Robby Andrews, and Cory Primm.
Out-of-Wedlock-Danny wrote:
first off-45.98 is essentially 46flat. he's a 46 400 runner.
second off, almost every guy in the world who can go 1.44 and below can do that.
the 45 first two digit handle makes him SOUND faster. don't get cute.
Nope. He ran 45.98. Not 46. See, that's the thing about time as far as track events are concerned. It's not really a subjective measurement (especially in the 400 where wind readings aren't factored). He ran what he ran. Which is 45.98.
Best post of the day. I agree with you my man
To add on...back in HS at a meet I ran 4:19.99. I considered myself a SUB 4:20 runner, NOT a 4:20 mile. So in short you are correct that he has 45 400 speed and not 46.
while I understand your point, there is a world of difference between a 10.99 and a 10.09 100m runner. Both 10 seconds in the 100, but one is far better than the other. He is without question a sub 46 400m runner, and if I were him I would say a 45 runner to make things easy, but when doing analysis like the poster you are making fun of was doing, he is much closer to someone who is 46.00 than 45.98.
The statement concerning 46 and the 45.98 that Duane actually ran has nothing to do with what is closer. The poster stated that Mr. Solomon was a 46 second runner; however, in track and field a 45.98 is a 45.98 runner. Running is not a sport in which you round up; otherwise, there would be no need to keep time down to the one hundredth of a second!
Cas Loxsom ran 45.3 on the psu 4x4 at indoor nationals last year