Lagat - singles and 60mpw??

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Track Fan 1979 wrote:

It's funny how Flojo, Carl Lewis, LeRoy Burrell, El G, Gwen Torrance,Michael Johnson, etc. all waited to get braces later in life.

What do braces have to do with anything? I don't understand the performance enhancing benefits of having metal in your mouth. Shelly Ann Fraser got in trouble for taking percocet. How the hell would that make anyone better at running?

Also, is it that weird to want to have nice teeth when you can afford it? 5-6 thousand dollars for something unnecessary would be a complete waste of money over food, car payments, insurance, etc.

Actually, I have it linked here:

And to save you the trouble, the exchange goes:

T&FN: You mentioned 90M/ week. Have you ever done that kind of volume?

Lagat: Actually I did it last year. But then all of those miles were quality training. We were doing 14M at a go—something that I have never, ever done before.

Actually, he said it to Sieg Lindstrom six years ago. It's right there.

No, but I'd guess that you're probably one of the people that claims that Dennis Fritz murdered Debra Sue Carter. Even though scientific evidence exonerated him and his conviction was overturned (sound familiar?).

Did you not click on this link:

Dr Hans Heid reviewed all the findings and concluded that there was no synthetic EPO in Lagat's urine. Now, Dr. Heid is only a scientist at the German Cancer Research Center, so I am fully prepared to eat my words if you are a scientist of greater standing, with superior knowledge in the field of endocrinology and the renal system, and you, upon analyzing the collected data, came to a different conclusion.

So you're calling bullshit because Lagat make a mad dash to the orthodontist when he got his first check from Puma? Ironically, if he had, I would guess you say, "Ah hah! He's clearly using HGH since the moment he had any money he's suddenly wearing braces!"

You're seeing what you want to see. I've known people in their 40s to get braces because they've finally gotten around to it for one reason or another. Usually they've got kids and it's been something on their mind for a while. I think it's called being human.

I would say acromegaly is not so subtle.

No he didn't, just Dennis Fritz did not murder Debra Sue Carter. You could say the initial test was invalidated, just as Dennis Fritz' initial conviction was invalidated. Both Lagat and Fritz were exonerated based on the scientific evidence. What is so hard to understand about that?

Try it some time.

Lagat also says he was overdoing the miles and that he believes in quality work.

dsrunner has the day off wrote:

Lagat also says he was overdoing the miles and that he believes in quality work.

That may be, though some key quotes from Li stick out to me:

"During that first year we figured out this guy was not going to be able to handle really high mileage -- when we'd try to increase it his shins would hurt. So we had to figure out some other ways to keep him healthy and running."

"Although I have a reputation of not being a high-mileage guy, every runner needs to build a big aerobic base."

"I can't say everyone should be training this way."

Lagat is on the lighter side of the training volume spectrum, but I don't think that most middle and long distance runners will get the most out of themselves if they keep the volume low and the intensity high. I think there are more Cam Levins out there than there are Bernard Lagats.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Lagat is on the lighter side of the training volume spectrum, but I don't think that most middle and long distance runners will get the most out of themselves if they keep the volume low and the intensity high. I think there are more Cam Levins out there than there are Bernard Lagats.

More 27:27/13:18 guys than 3:26/12:53 guys? Yes, that is true.

ggg wrote:

A Berny mile is 1.62 miles and so he runs 100mpw.

best post on this forum. nice!

Idiot, you're just copy and pasting what I quoted

Moron, he has stated that his volume is lower than that. I linked several articles that are much more recent than 6 years ago and his volume was far lower than what you claim. Stop using an outlier as his average.

Imbecile, you're claiming he was doing way more mileage than he does on average because he spent a few weeks at a higher mileage.

Moron, his B sample had time to degrade. The chances of a false positive for EPO is astronomically small, as in, like, it never happens. Learn something.

Idiot, an athlete getting braces at the age of 37 when one has had the means to do so for many years (along with the fact that said athlete has tested positive for drugs before) is a telltale sign of HGH use. Refer to my last post.

Imbecile, I'm stating facts. You're ignoring the elephant in the room because you don't want to admit you're hero is a drug cheat

Idiot, offer something relevant.

Moron, his B sample had time to degrade. What is so hard to understand about that?

Imbecile, offer something.

clearing the bs up wrote:

So lets review

1) Trains once per day

2) Takes one day off per week

3) Runs 60-70 miles per week max

4) Regularly goes to sleep at or later than midnight

5) Has tested positive for EPO

6) Recently got braces at the age of 37

g.

7) Blessed with once in a generation genes.

Remember that he was pretty much a pure miler for most of his career. He may not run high mileage now, but after 20+ years of it he has the strength to be good at the 5k.

BS Coe and his father used to give everyone the same run around too! Saying he ran 35-50 mpw when in fact he would go over 100 many weeks during the year.... Renato Canova has even stated he drove next to coe on a 30km run at a fast pace! Its BS!

His B sample had time to degrade. The chances of a false positive for EPO is astronomically small, as in, like, it never happens. Learn something.

I'm genuinely curious about this one.

I've heard the idea that it's possible to take some agent along with EPO that degrades/dissolves/removes/whatevers the drug so that a positive A sample can be accurate but by the time the B sample is tested the EPO is no longer detectable in the urine where it would've been had it been tested earlier.

I'm not familiar with the idea that an EPO test cannot (practically) provide a false positive. Is this true? Is there really no way that the sample could've been contaminated or the test have been mal-performed such that a false positive is reached?

but KB or Geb don't?? Lagat is downplaying it.

How does 60 mpw seem anything other than normal for a middle distance runner? Even for one who has moved up to 5000M in his elder days?

Joe Girardi middle age /former ballplayer/ yankee mngr post playing career

wore braces

Roger Bannister ran low miles, but super quality. Heavy on the intervals. He tuned himself for a specific task. Lucky he didn't get injured.

The fact is that over time you may need braces when you didn't before or you may put it off for years. I had braces in my teens and they didn't do much other than give me a temporary speech impediment, and the sad thing is that as your mouth grows together over the decades, the teeth start pushing against one another and pushing them out of alignment. So, I could use the braces again now, though doubtful that I'd let those quacks at my teeth again after multiple past mistakes.

Why is it so hard for the LR junkies to understand that everyone's physiology is different? So many here seem to think that there is a cookie cutter formula for success. Where one athlete may need 120+ mpw to reach their potential, another may be overdoing it on 80 mpw and end up injured. Why is it that the "vocal" ones here just don't get it?

jjjjjjjj wrote:

The fact is that over time you may need braces when you didn't before or you may put it off for years. I had braces in my teens and they didn't do much other than give me a temporary speech impediment, and the sad thing is that as your mouth grows together over the decades, the teeth start pushing against one another and pushing them out of alignment. So, I could use the braces again now, though doubtful that I'd let those quacks at my teeth again after multiple past mistakes.

Here's an article from WebMD about adults getting braces:

. I'll give you a highlight: "Thinking about getting braces? Experts say it's never too late. These days, adults make up nearly half of orthodontic patients hoping to finally get the perfect smile they've always dreamed about."