there's a kid in minnesota who's run 926, and ran under 1540 in the fall in XC. another freshman in minnesota is lighting it up also with similar times
there's a kid in minnesota who's run 926, and ran under 1540 in the fall in XC. another freshman in minnesota is lighting it up also with similar times
The Leon distance runners have very good times. They must have a good coach.
watchout wrote:
Top 20 freshman so far in outdoor track (not including those that ran better indoors, in cross country, or in previous years)
1. Elijah Armstrong, Pocatello ID - 9:04.78 3200m (also 4:22.99 1600m)
2. Aaron Roe, Henry Jackson WA - 9:22.55 3200m (also 4:27.52 1600m)
3. Peter Kesting, Olympia WA - 4:23.88 1600m
4. Tanner Anderson, North Central WA - 4:25.80 mile
5. Logan Wetzel, Saline MI - 4:24.6h 1600m
6. Nick Martin, Sammamish WA - 4:25.82 1600m (also 9:30.4h 3200m)
7. Connor Mantz, Sky View UT - 9:29.7h 3200m
8. Luke Hendrix, Marcus TX - 9:30.33 3200m
9. Cooper Kossick, HB Edison CA - 4:26.86 1600m
10. Pedro Nasta, John Cooper TX - 4:27.10 1600m (also 9:31.45 3200m)
11. Michael Wegner, Loyola Blakefield MD - 4:27.12 1600m
12. Nick Diaz, Miami Sunset FL - 4:27.22 1600m
13. Marcus Wheeler, Hamilton AZ - 4:27.31 1600m
14. Graham Brown, Palatine IL - 9:31.9h 3200m
15. Tristan Peloquin, Gig Harbor WA - 9:32.02 3200m
16. Peter Davis, Terre Haute North IN - 4:28.18 1600m
17. Stephen Garrett, Tatnall DE - 9:34.09 3200m
18. Jean Baptiste Tooley, Central Catholic OR - 4:08.80 1500m
19. Steven Sum, Saratoga CA - 9:34.72 3200m
20. Luis Morquecho, Sweetwater CA - 9:35.10 3200m
Washington State represent! 5 in the top 20 and 4 in the top 6!
Watchout-
How did you arrive at the 1600/3200 conversion for this list? It looks like roughly what McMillan would spit out, and I've always thought those tables were pretty inaccurate for younger, underdeveloped runners.
Also Rise has a 4:22.96 mile listed for Wheeler of Hamilton, catapulting him up to I think #2 on this list
They probably are somewhat inaccurate for freshman, granted... but they work fine for juniors and seniors, and I just didn't switch back to the more generous 1600 -> 3200 conversion.
The one I used was 93.5% (i.e., 3200m @ 72.00/lap ~ 1600m @ 67.32/lap)... 92.5% (~66.60/lap) probably fits better for freshmen.
Not sure how I missed on Wheeler's mile time... I took my marks from only two sources (Dyestat and Athletic.net) to come up with the quick and easy list... must have just not noticed he wasn't already included.
btw, you are correct that Wheeler's mile time would move him up to #2 (using the same ratio, it would be a 9:19.13c 3200m; with 92.5% instead, his mile would be 9:25.18c for 3200)
You're converting 1600 to 3200?????
No, you can't do that.
They have to run the times. Not everyone is the same.
knew a guy who ran ~ 9:30y as frosh - 47 yrs ago!
FLCoach wrote:
Check out his progression....
http://fl.milesplit.com/athletes/2172583-sukhi-khoslaHe just went 9:35 tonight and is heading to state.
Something special I think...
Damn! As impressive as his 3200 time is (because it IS impressive for a freshman), it's his PROGRESSION that is crazy. Just last fall he ran a couple of 5000s in over 18 minutes! Insane. Man, how would any coach with a kid running mid 17s at the end of cross country figure he might run 9:35 for 3200 in the spring of that same school year.
I hope he keeps improving. Thanks for the info. Crazy.
J.R. wrote:
You're converting 1600 to 3200?????
No, you can't do that.
They have to run the times. Not everyone is the same.
Uh, how else do you expect to compare runners that run/focus on different events? Say that the best 3200m guy is always just as good as the best 1600m guy, and the second best 3200m guy is always as good as the best 1600m guy? We should all know that isn't going to always be true -- especially since more kids tend to run the 1600 (or 1500m or mile, depending on where they live) more than the 3200.
watchout wrote:
Uh, how else do you expect to compare runners that run/focus on different events?
Duh, by having them run the events!
Say that the best 3200m guy is always just as good as the best 1600m guy, and the second best 3200m guy is always as good as the best 1600m guy?
No, you can't say that. They have to run the events!
We should all know that isn't going to always be true -- especially since more kids tend to run the 1600 (or 1500m or mile, depending on where they live) more than the 3200
Of course not. It never is true.
Please don't make up false times for runners, as it undermines the credibility of the ones that are real.
Also people might BELIEVE the runners actually RAN those times, as I did when initially seeing your listing.
J.R. wrote:
watchout wrote:Uh, how else do you expect to compare runners that run/focus on different events?
Duh, by having them run the events!
Say that the best 3200m guy is always just as good as the best 1600m guy, and the second best 3200m guy is always as good as the best 1600m guy?
No, you can't say that. They have to run the events!
We should all know that isn't going to always be true -- especially since more kids tend to run the 1600 (or 1500m or mile, depending on where they live) more than the 3200
Of course not. It never is true.
Please don't make up false times for runners, as it undermines the credibility of the ones that are real.
Also people might BELIEVE the runners actually RAN those times, as I did when initially seeing your listing.
When did I ever make up false times for runners?
And it would be rather pointless to talk about who are the best freshman (or whatever else) distance runners and only look at one event.
in case people are having a hard time keeping up...
The top 20 list I posted are all their actual 2012 outdoor track season bests at those events (sans the missed mile mark for Hamilton). The "conversions" that the poster "and statistics" asked about are only used to sort the list.
If you are going to mention the Central kid I'd mention the Maton kid from summit...8:52? 8:54? Surely that's more impressive than 4:08.
Sukhi is going to be the next Guerrouj.
Portland Harrier wrote:
If you are going to mention the Central kid I'd mention the Maton kid from summit...8:52? 8:54? Surely that's more impressive than 4:08.
Maton was one of the first ones I had to leave off, because his mark was slower than the 3200m kid this thread was started about (though I probably would have included him if we were considering what they did in cross country as well).
8:54.8h 3k -> 9:37.4c 3200m
4:08.80 1500m -> 4:28.6c 1600m -> 9:34.6c 3200m (using 93.5%, which I did for all 1500/1600/mile marks; though it would be 9:40.8c using 92.5% which would be more frosh-friendly)
That's funny I would've been in that race with him but I'm out injured for the rest of the season I'm also from Florida. Wish the best of luck to you. If you are their coach I always checked the stats of your team in 2010 When Matt Mizereck was running. There must be good coaching going on at Leon lots of talent has come from that school.
That's funny I would've been in that race with him but I'm out injured for the rest of the season I'm also from Florida. Wish the best of luck to you. If you are their coach I always checked the stats of your team in 2010 When Matt Mizereck was running. There must be good coaching going on at Leon lots of talent has come from that school.
watchout wrote:
Top 20 freshman so far in outdoor track (not including those that ran better indoors, in cross country, or in previous years)
1. Elijah Armstrong, Pocatello ID - 9:04.78 3200m (also 4:22.99 1600m)
2. Aaron Roe, Henry Jackson WA - 9:22.55 3200m (also 4:27.52 1600m)
3. Peter Kesting, Olympia WA - 4:23.88 1600m
4. Tanner Anderson, North Central WA - 4:25.80 mile
5. Logan Wetzel, Saline MI - 4:24.6h 1600m
6. Nick Martin, Sammamish WA - 4:25.82 1600m (also 9:30.4h 3200m)
7. Connor Mantz, Sky View UT - 9:29.7h 3200m
8. Luke Hendrix, Marcus TX - 9:30.33 3200m
9. Cooper Kossick, HB Edison CA - 4:26.86 1600m
10. Pedro Nasta, John Cooper TX - 4:27.10 1600m (also 9:31.45 3200m)
11. Michael Wegner, Loyola Blakefield MD - 4:27.12 1600m
12. Nick Diaz, Miami Sunset FL - 4:27.22 1600m
13. Marcus Wheeler, Hamilton AZ - 4:27.31 1600m
14. Graham Brown, Palatine IL - 9:31.9h 3200m
15. Tristan Peloquin, Gig Harbor WA - 9:32.02 3200m
16. Peter Davis, Terre Haute North IN - 4:28.18 1600m
17. Stephen Garrett, Tatnall DE - 9:34.09 3200m
18. Jean Baptiste Tooley, Central Catholic OR - 4:08.80 1500m
19. Steven Sum, Saratoga CA - 9:34.72 3200m
20. Luis Morquecho, Sweetwater CA - 9:35.10 3200m
You missed a Freshmen in NC who ran 4:23 AND 1:57.
Who is the NC kid, where did he run it and what was his time?
There very well could be others missing as well: like I said in a later post, I only looked at Athletic.net (not used by every team in the nation, to be sure) and Dyestat (whose general deep-list cut-off is 4:22 for 1600)