Speaking for the rest of the world - as we can see most of the American team are black anyway, Lagat fits in perfectly with any team representing the USA.
Speaking for the rest of the world - as we can see most of the American team are black anyway, Lagat fits in perfectly with any team representing the USA.
He is one of us. He has a head, two arms, and a pair of legs.
Fact. Israel by law would not allow him on their olympic team or be a member of their country.
Yes.
I absolutely do consider Lagat an American. I am proud of him as an American and am honored that he CHOSE to become an American. I think we would be better off if eveyone had to CHOOSE their nationality and accept the responsibilities that come with that choice.
usa suckers wrote:
Fact. Israel by law would not allow him on their olympic team or be a member of their country.
Israel is a disgraceful country.
Lagat is one of us.
usa suckers wrote:
Fact. Israel by law would not allow him on their olympic team or be a member of their country.
um, wrong:
A person 18 years of age or older may acquire Israeli nationality by naturalization if he meets these criteria: (1) is currently in Israel, (2) has been in Israel for 3 of the 5 preceding years, (3) intends to settle in the country (4) has some knowledge of Hebrew (former Palestinian citizens are exempt from this provision), (5) renounces any and all foreign nationalities, and (6) takes an oath of loyalty to the State of Israel. Completion of all of the above requirements is not essential in all instances, however, as the Minister of the Interior at his discretion has the power (for a special reason) to waive requirements (1), (2),(4), and (5) above.
usa suckers wrote:
Fact. Israel by law would not allow him on their olympic team or be a member of their country.
Fixed:
Fact. Japan by law would not allow him on their olympic team or be a member of their country.
Cuando estoy baracho soy un monito sin verguenza.
It’s handy having a regular re-supply of good African runners that are free to run for the USA as most young black American males are either on drugs or in prison.
I'm not even American...
I guess my question is mostly about what Americans consider their identity as Americans to mean, and more generally what meaning nationality has, if any.
Well, you can take a greyhound to any country in the world and he'll still be a greyhound and he'll be faster then 99.9% of all retrievers.
Lagat said that the secret to his amazing double at Worlds in Osaka was going to Outback Steakhouse and eating a huge steak between races. You just can't get any more American than that.
Seriously Though wrote:
I'm not talking about race/ethnicity, but I think it's absolute BS that Bernard Lagat is considered an 'American' record holder considering he was born and raised in Kenya, and competed for that country the most of his life. It makes a joke of national records- though perhaps all national records should be discarded and we should only count world records! He was a Kenyan, he is a Kenyan, he will always be Kenyan. QED
Define your terms please.
If you are going to make definitive statements as such, you at least should define how are you understanding nationality or national origin.
Not Coe wrote:
It’s handy having a regular re-supply of good African runners that are free to run for the USA as most young black American males are either on drugs or in prison.
Most young white americans are also on drugs as well. They just don't get arrested for it or they hire good attorneys.
Moreover, look at this DC article praising the "entrepreneurial" behavior of basically an upperclass white female drug dealer. It's just so lovely how she is considered a "pharmaceutical redistributor" while black teens in DC are thrown in jail for the same thing.
As I said above, I'm not American.
I suppose I should have stated in my initial question, that I'm basically wondering how Americans define themselves, as Americans, and what nationality means to them. ie. Is it transferrable? Is it a birthright? Can you be both American and Kenyan simueltaneously? (I don't know if America has dual citizenship, I'm mainly wondering if Americans think there can be or not)
Gelindo wrote:
Well, you can take a greyhound to any country in the world and he'll still be a greyhound and he'll be faster then 99.9% of all retrievers.
So even if you leave the greyhound in America for several generations it will still be a greyhound.
So you are not really American but European