Amp wrote:
It's 2012, and the world record is still 12:37
It's 2017, and the world record is still 12:37
Amp wrote:
It's 2012, and the world record is still 12:37
It's 2017, and the world record is still 12:37
That drugs help is a stupid marketing idea, that helps profits but does nothing for either health nor performance.
In fact the opposite is the case, as the primary results of drug use are poor health and premature death.
I can see clearly now wrote:
That drugs help is a stupid marketing idea, that helps profits but does nothing for either health nor performance.
In fact the opposite is the case, as the primary results of drug use are poor health and premature death.
Hi Jon Orange/JR. Haven't seen you around...
I am not Jon Orange.
Vladimir Kuts was a product of the Soviet training system...gotta think about the use of steroids in that system.
Komen = TOTAL metronome.
WOW.
SO even.
Harambe wrote:
Komen = TOTAL metronome.
WOW.
SO even.
Bekele started off a bit slower but every km was ~1 second faster than the pevious
Geb having the best and something like 3rd best final KM. Nice illustration.
McGruffTheDrugDog wrote:
woof 20 years to drop from 13:16 - 12:58, (~18sec), 9 years to go from ~12:57 - 12:37 (~20 sec) woof
Longer really Clarke ran 13:16 in 66.
SolRichards wrote:Mr. Tergot is no slouch, has run faster then anyone else over the thon. And is nowhere near running a 26:20, never was even in his prime track years
Tergat jogged that 26'27 to 7k !
his last 3k was 7'50 !!!
that is 26'06 pace !!!
if Tergat had run that race flat-out from gun he wouda run
~ 26'15 - 26'20
Koman ran 2 miles in 3:58. That is about 7:20 for 3k, Bekele ran with in ten seconds of that, and then ran 2000m more meetrs getting faster
Komen didn't prepare ideally for that 5k of 12'39 & was more focused on 1500 that year
he ran a 3'29 just 6 days before that 5k which was not really adequate rest or preparation for that 5k
when kennster ran 12'37 he prepared specifically for that run for some weeks
thegripper wrote:
Amp wrote:
It's 2012, and the world record is still 12:37
It's 2017, and the world record is still 12:37
The records from 1500-10000 will stay records for at least another 20 years
calculo wrote:Komen didn't prepare ideally for that 5k of 12'39 & was more focused on 1500 that year
he ran a 3'29 just 6 days before that 5k which was not really adequate rest or preparation for that 5k
when kennster ran 12'37 he prepared specifically for that run for some weeks
Komen's over-racing was sensational & suicidal in '97 !!!
8/13 - 12'44.90 when he was bitter geb sat on him & kicked away to 12'41 on last lap
Komen was tired from WC win just 4 days before when he broke the field with a fast middle 3k
the zurich race was too early
8/16 - 3'29.46 - crushing big kicker niyonbongo by over 1s
8/22 - 12'39.74 !!
8/26 - 3'46.32
this was an incredible run !!!
in criminally large field, baulked twice at start !!, took straight right into lane 3 !!!, sprinted suicidally to get to pole by 200m !!!, undrafted most of race & kicked in a 54+ finish !!!
hicham drafted off him for win
even without accounting for crushing fatigue in his legs from that 12'39 just 4 days before, he shouda run 3'43+ that day in ideal split route-1 run drafted to bell
anyone care to guestimate what to knock off 3'43+ for 12'39 crumbling his legs ???
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FNJvjal6FbYi don't think 12'39 was Komen's best 5k shape, that was undoubtedly indoors in '98 when he was probably in 12'32 / 12'33 outdoor shape IMO, if you heed opinion of kada, hicham's coach
http://tinyurl.com/ychol9kxthegripper wrote:
Amp wrote:
It's 2012, and the world record is still 12:37
It's 2017, and the world record is still 12:37
And no one's been under 12:45 in 12 years or under 12:50 in 5 years.
i have to say, gebremeskel in paris-'12 couda definitely dipped into 3'27s if there was a 1500 & he had run it & got perfect run
i'll have to run some numbers but perhaps even dip into 3'26 was on that day
someone look up the ethiopian 1500 record...
It is usually not required to run that fast to win. Only 3 men in history have been under 12:45. 16 men in history have been under 12:50. Paris 2012 showed us that there are still a handful of runners that can be there if they have to, when the first 6 ran sub-12:50, with less than optimal pacing and splits.
Star wrote:
And no one's been under 12:45 in 12 years or under 12:50 in 5 years.
rekrunner wrote:
It is usually not required to run that fast to win.
Only 3 men in history have been under 12:45.
16 men in history have been under 12:50.
Paris 2012 showed us that there are still a handful of runners that can be there if they have to, when the first 6 ran sub-12:50, with less than optimal pacing and splits.
Star wrote:
And no one's been under 12:45 in 12 years or under 12:50 in 5 years.
That race is kinda amazing .. it's almost as if some people pretend it didn't happen, or that because it was unusually fast, it doesn't really count .. like those guys can't REALLY run that fast, or faster. Like somehow they fluked a sub 12:50.
rekrunner wrote:
It is usually not required to run that fast to win.
Only 3 men in history have been under 12:45.
16 men in history have been under 12:50.
Paris 2012 showed us that there are still a handful of runners that can be there if they have to, when the first 6 ran sub-12:50, with less than optimal pacing and splits.
Star wrote:
And no one's been under 12:45 in 12 years or under 12:50 in 5 years.
Yep. This.
Races rarely go fast.
The argument that Mo is only ever capable of 12:5x is ridiculous for similar reasons. Mo lost like two races after his breakout 10k in 2011. Many of them in the 13:0x range, and even the rare 12:5x. I'm sorry but a 12:50 guy is going to have bad days, and on bad days he's going to be 10-15s off peak ability. Well if you're on a bad day and are only a 13:00 guy, you don't close a 13:03 race in 52s.
Moreover, if you're a 12:55 or even 12:50 guy you don't close a 12:5x race with a low 52 lap. You're too gassed to close hard. Anybody closing a 5k in 52-54 is at least 5-15s faster than that if they ran a 5000m TT
LM wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Is this a joke???
12:35 is too much, sure. However:
Closing 54 in a 12:46 race is smokin! Is it really that hard to imagine that if the race hadn't had a slow start they might have run a few seconds faster?
Moreover, Gebremeskel did run the entirety of the last lap on the border of lane one and lane two. Which means in reality he ran a 52/53 last 400. In a 12:46 race. If you rip of down that kind of last lap...you're not tired or hurting coming into the bell and have almost you're full tank of FRC left. Spread out evenly you're going to run marginally faster. If you don't think Gebremeskel could have challenged gone low 12:4x or possibly challenged 12:40 on that day, had the race played out differently, you're kidding only yourself.
The last lap was 54.66s, the running into lane 2 would barely add 0.1s to his time.
This was the Ethiopian Olympic trials. Strangely only a couple of weeks later none of these Ethiopians could run near this pace and got smashed by Mo. Rather odd to say the least.
LM wrote:
Closing 54 in a 12:46 race is smokin! Is it really that hard to imagine that if the race hadn't had a slow start they might have run a few seconds faster?
No. But it was still the fastest race of this decade, and if you use the same logic, you can bring for example Komen down to... well, 12:32 - 12:33, according to calculo.
In other words, the adjusted 12:46 is still some 8 - 10 seconds slower than the adjusted times 15 - 20 years ago.
That 12:46 also happened at the height of the demonstrated IAAF corruption, without OOC tests in Ethiopia. Has that improved now?
And, as argued on the first page, a certain natural progression was expected, but the times developed in the other direction. Just saying.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
The last lap was 54.66s, the running into lane 2 would barely add 0.1s to his time.
This was the Ethiopian Olympic trials. Strangely only a couple of weeks later none of these Ethiopians could run near this pace and got smashed by Mo. Rather odd to say the least.
Maybe you didn't see the London 2012 race? Gebremeskel should've won it, but ran a disastrous tactical race. He didn't close a faster last lap than Mo .. he just positioned himself horribly prior to that. There's no question Geb was physically capable of winning that race.