Bike 350mi: 18-19hrs assuming a 18-19mph avg
That's a pretty slow biking speed if you live somewhere flatish. More importantly, he said 250-350... so he's doing the 350 week rarely. That's still a huge range for bike mileage.
Bike 350mi: 18-19hrs assuming a 18-19mph avg
That's a pretty slow biking speed if you live somewhere flatish. More importantly, he said 250-350... so he's doing the 350 week rarely. That's still a huge range for bike mileage.
Internet Sargent Slaughter wrote:
Bike 350mi: 18-19hrs assuming a 18-19mph avg
That's a pretty slow biking speed if you live somewhere flatish. More importantly, he said 250-350... so he's doing the 350 week rarely. That's still a huge range for bike mileage.
Really? Do you know what the hell you're talking about at all? I rode <4:45 in my last Ironman (Challenge actually) which was top 3 in my age group and never AVERAGED over 20mph in a single training ride and where I live is flat as hell.
Not Big Four wrote:
Really? Do you know what the hell you're talking about at all?
I rode <4:45 in my last Ironman (Challenge actually) which was top 3 in my age group and never AVERAGED over 20mph in a single training ride and where I live is flat as hell.
Did you even bother to think before you spewed out this crap? Did you even bother to work out what a ridiculous statement it is?
Clearly not. So I'll work it out for you. You averaged 23.5 mph for 112 miles after swimming 2.4 miles and before racing a marathon and you never do a single ride at over 20 mph while living on that flats?
Seriously, next time just shut the fuck up.
Not big anything wrote:
Not Big Four wrote:Really? Do you know what the hell you're talking about at all?
I rode <4:45 in my last Ironman (Challenge actually) which was top 3 in my age group and never AVERAGED over 20mph in a single training ride and where I live is flat as hell.
Did you even bother to think before you spewed out this crap? Did you even bother to work out what a ridiculous statement it is?
Clearly not. So I'll work it out for you. You averaged 23.5 mph for 112 miles after swimming 2.4 miles and before racing a marathon and you never do a single ride at over 20 mph while living on that flats?
Seriously, next time just shut the fuck up.
Hey jackhole, do you ever ride a bike? When I go out for a ride, even a balls out TT effort, there's stop signs, cars, traffic lights, etc All stuff that isn't there on race day, much different than running. I don't know of a single cyclist who has averaged anywhere in the vicinity of what they'll do in an IM, on a training ride. If you want to close down 100 miles of roads on my next training ride and have none of those obstacles and oh yeah, hand me drinks so I don't have to stop at a 7-11 or park every few hours then MAYBE we can approach what you'll hold for an IM bike leg.
Ill-informed a##hole.
There's a lot of big egos on this thread who seem so eager to make the point that tri training takes longer, yet marathon training is more intense.
Doesn't everybody know this already?
Not Big Four wrote:
I rode <4:45 in my last Ironman (Challenge actually)
Plus: we all know that Challenge ain't no 112 miles.
otto wrote:
Not Big Four wrote:I rode <4:45 in my last Ironman (Challenge actually)
Plus: we all know that Challenge ain't no 112 miles.
You're right, they're probably 10-20 miles short, so that guy who rode 4:45, probably really rode a 5:30 or something. Right?
Bronco wrote:
There's a lot of big egos on this thread who seem so eager to make the point that tri training takes longer, yet marathon training is more intense.
Doesn't everybody know this already?
Maybe Desriee left triathlons because of the people and not the training.
how much time does it take to get ready to ride, go somewhere to swim, change into and out of exercise clothes, take the extra showers, stretch, do weights, etc.? 30 hours for a triathlete doing that mileage is a minimum.
Incidentally, I saw that Sean Jefferson, who I think ran 3:55 for the mile, is still doing triathlons, running around 31 for the 10k at the end of Miami Beach this year.
Stating_the_obvious__ wrote:
Not big anything wrote:Did you even bother to think before you spewed out this crap? Did you even bother to work out what a ridiculous statement it is?
Clearly not. So I'll work it out for you. You averaged 23.5 mph for 112 miles after swimming 2.4 miles and before racing a marathon and you never do a single ride at over 20 mph while living on that flats?
Seriously, next time just shut the fuck up.
Hey jackhole, do you ever ride a bike? When I go out for a ride, even a balls out TT effort, there's stop signs, cars, traffic lights, etc All stuff that isn't there on race day, much different than running. I don't know of a single cyclist who has averaged anywhere in the vicinity of what they'll do in an IM, on a training ride. If you want to close down 100 miles of roads on my next training ride and have none of those obstacles and oh yeah, hand me drinks so I don't have to stop at a 7-11 or park every few hours then MAYBE we can approach what you'll hold for an IM bike leg.
Ill-informed a##hole.
Of course no one calculates their avg pace for a training ride by including all stops, but don't let that stop you.
Anyway, back to Ficker. From what I could find she has the following personal bests.
10K- 34:22
1/2 Marathon- 1:14:07
Marathon- 2:39:30
And for those female love calf muscles... :-)
http://lh3.ggpht.com/lorenpokorny/SDWib7UqAlI/AAAAAAAABCU/clJTjzb62b8/May08late004_thumb1.jpg
Of course no one calculates their avg pace for a training ride by including all stops, but don't let that stop you.
I don't know about you, but I don't calculate every time I decelerate for a stop sign or traffic light. Of course I'll stop it if I go take a piss but you're seriously mistaken if you think a guy who averages 23+ mph in an IM is going to come anywhere close to that on a century training ride as it's just not possible unless you close the roads down.
But you apparently know, so continue w/ your rhetoric.
Stating_the_obvious__ wrote:
Hey jackhole, do you ever ride a bike? When I go out for a ride, even a balls out TT effort, there's stop signs, cars, traffic lights, etc All stuff that isn't there on race day, much different than running. I don't know of a single cyclist who has averaged anywhere in the vicinity of what they'll do in an IM, on a training ride. If you want to close down 100 miles of roads on my next training ride and have none of those obstacles and oh yeah, hand me drinks so I don't have to stop at a 7-11 or park every few hours then MAYBE we can approach what you'll hold for an IM bike leg.
Ill-informed a##hole.
You know how I know you're a fucking liar or a fucking moron (or, realistically speaking, both)?
1. I know plenty of people who can ride in the vicinity of the pace they'll hold in an IM from time to time in a hard ride. So do you. Particularly on "flat as hell" terrain.
2. I can average over 20 mph if I really want to on a 40 mile ride almost any day of the week. That's over rolling terrain, not the "flat as hell" terrain you claim to live on. Even with a bunch of stop lights. And my best IM split is well over 40 minutes slower than the one you claim to have put out.
Seriously, I don't know what on earth motivated you to make such a patently obvious lie, but it is, in fact, obvious. Nobody who knows jack shit about riding a bike would buy it.
Now would be a good time to shut the fuck up.
Serio
lettuce be serious for one second here: she's 35 years old. three-five.
2. I can average over 20 mph if I really want to on a 40 mile ride almost any day of the week. That's over rolling terrain, not the "flat as hell" terrain you claim to live on. Even with a bunch of stop lights. And my best IM split is well over 40 minutes slower than the one you claim to have put out.
Seriously, I don't know what on earth motivated you to make such a patently obvious lie, but it is, in fact, obvious. Nobody who knows jack shit about riding a bike would buy it.
Now would be a good time to shut the fuck up.
Serio
So you can average over 20mph every day of the week for a 40 mile ride WITH stop lights, but then can't manage to average that in an IM, without any stops? Wow, that's really odd huh?
You sound like the guy down the street who says he does all his moderate/hard runs at 6:20 pace and still has a marathon PR of 3:30. You guys should hook up & you can talk about your 20+mph rides & he can likewise impress you with his 6:20 run pace and then you can both talk about why you still race slow as shite.
Seriously, next time just shut the fuck up.[/quote]
Hey jackhole, do you ever ride a bike? When I go out for a ride, even a balls out TT effort, there's stop signs, cars, traffic lights, etc All stuff that isn't there on race day, much different than running. I don't know of a single cyclist who has averaged anywhere in the vicinity of what they'll do in an IM, on a training ride. If you want to close down 100 miles of roads on my next training ride and have none of those obstacles and oh yeah, hand me drinks so I don't have to stop at a 7-11 or park every few hours then MAYBE we can approach what you'll hold for an IM bike leg.
Ill-informed a##hole.[/quote]
Pretty much every IM athlete does or at least should be doing all there training rides faster than IM pace. I am guessing your 4:45 at Challenge i sa load of shite.
who gives a crap about the why's and what's. Just enjoy.
So So SO wrote:
So you can average over 20mph every day of the week for a 40 mile ride WITH stop lights, but then can't manage to average that in an IM, without any stops? Wow, that's really odd huh?
No genius. Saying I can do it "any day of the week" in no way means "every day of the week". It's a workout. Hence the "if I really want to".
Try to read closely before responding
Crowie wrote:
Pretty much every IM athlete does or at least should be doing all there training rides faster than IM pace.
Actually that's not true. I could never do that. If I tried, I'd be wiped. But of course you do SOME rides faster than that.
I am guessing your 4:45 at Challenge i sa load of shite.
That, however sounds quite a bit more reasonable
Crowie wrote:
Pretty much every IM athlete does or at least should be doing all there training rides faster than IM pace. I am guessing your 4:45 at Challenge i sa load of shite.
OK, just so I'm clear, you're saying that EVERY IM athlete SHOULD DO ALL THEIR TRAINING RIDES FASTER THAN IM pace?
So the leaders AVERAGE nearly 26mph and it's your contention that EVERY one of them, should be doing ALL their training rides faster than that?
Wow, that's impressive that all their training will be at 26mph or faster. I didn't realize that's what needed to be done.
You know what, I was just thinking that guys like Mutai average <5min pace in a marathon, they should probably be doing all their training <5min pace too.
I better get going!
