joho wrote:
So now we are bashing professional American runners for wanting to be the best in the world? I thought we bashed the pros when they were content with being top American.
Or, do we just bash them regardless of they what they say or do because some of us are pathetic losers with a chip on our shoulder?
Or do we mindlessly use the word "bash" to mean "anything other than cheerleading"?
She's ran 4 marathons and got her butt kicked in the World Championships and of course claimed she didn't feel good. Fine, she probably didn't but who would feel good after 26 miles in the heat? They all want to be the best, duh. You are the pathetic loser with a chip on your shoulder. Back under your rock you go.
Dumbest post of the thread, you are the best on LR for that.
It sounds like she just needed more training partners. Hard to fault that.
Didn't Alberto bring Schumacher to Oregon?
She had plenty of training partners. Watch the videos on Flotrack. They were men and faster than her which should have made her better as they pulled her along. Shalane will beat her in the trials so training with her won't matter.
smd wrote:
joho wrote:So now we are bashing professional American runners for wanting to be the best in the world? I thought we bashed the pros when they were content with being top American.
Or, do we just bash them regardless of they what they say or do because some of us are pathetic losers with a chip on our shoulder?
Or do we mindlessly use the word "bash" to mean "anything other than cheerleading"?
You have a mouse in your pocket?
Sometimes a change is necessary, sometimes a change is just that, a change. After 8 years in the same office I moved down the hall to a slightly bigger office with a different view out the window. I feel more motivated to work for some reason. Cut her some slack.
joho wrote:
smd wrote:Or do we mindlessly use the word "bash" to mean "anything other than cheerleading"?
You have a mouse in your pocket?
I agree with Joho. This board attacks the eltie runners no matter what they do. It is her racing career and her life. If she thinks this decision can help her career, then good for her. Best of luck.
smd wrote:
I love this line, like a professional athlete would otherwise not be able to rouse herself to be at work at the ungodly early hour of 8:30:
"If I know that Shalane and Lisa are waiting for me to run at 8:30 in the morning, I’m going to get up and meet them because I don’t want to let them down."
Well if you're only job was to wake up every day and run why would you do it at 6 or 7 am? Running doesn't have to be a miserable experience or an experiment in sleep deprevation.
Jerry Schumacher is sinister; don't be fooled.
I know it is cool to bash Salazaar and accuse of drugs, but Jerry is exact same. Only difference is Salazaar isn't spending his time back-door recruiting athletes and justifying his funding from Nike like Jerry has begun to do.
Undoubtedly, more secure in the company as well, but Salazaar has done awesome on the world scene, where as Jerry has had very limited success at Major Championships (Shalane world xc is only performance that comes to mind).
Teg's best are behind, Solinsky just had major surgery, Jager can't stay healthy, somehow Lamong didn't make the national team (1st time ever); who else is up and coming? Don't dare say Bumbalough.
Should've gotten Fernandez before he became a whack job.
And what is wrong with any of that? If you didn't make the team at the marathon, and could get a big payday in Boston, you wouldn't do it?
Then, you wouldn't take a shot at making the Olympic Team on the track?
Of course you would.
What would you rather Kara do if she doesn't make the team in Jan? Retire when she is still and Olympic-caliber athlete with a great chance of making the 5k and/or 10k teams?
I'm sure she'll come back from London and run NY too... for a nice paycheck. Again... I fail to see where this would be a thing to criticize.
From a business perspective, Kara should skip the trials, try and win Boston again, make the team in the 10k, compete in London, and then do NY. She'll have a great earnings year with that setup.
Conto wrote:
And what is wrong with any of that? If you didn't make the team at the marathon, and could get a big payday in Boston, you wouldn't do it?
Then, you wouldn't take a shot at making the Olympic Team on the track?
Of course you would.
What would you rather Kara do if she doesn't make the team in Jan? Retire when she is still and Olympic-caliber athlete with a great chance of making the 5k and/or 10k teams?
I'm sure she'll come back from London and run NY too... for a nice paycheck. Again... I fail to see where this would be a thing to criticize.
From a business perspective, Kara should skip the trials, try and win Boston again, make the team in the 10k, compete in London, and then do NY. She'll have a great earnings year with that setup.
I agree. This will also enable her to keep from getting bitch slapped by Desi again in 2012, which will lower her value in Boston and New York.
You are a moron at best. Not one poster on this board said that there was anything wrong it. About 3 people said that they felt that's what's going to happen. They are entitled to their opinion, as are you. Don't lose sleep over it as life is too short. Most people who post on this site don't read, really read the whole post. I got it the first time and I'm not Einstein or his brother. Loosen up.
Oh, and for those bashing her marathon performances...
Finishing top 5 in Major Marathons is HUGE. Being in the hunt for a win is HUGE. That doesn't "just happen". How can I be the only one who is hugely impressed with Kara's accomplishments (and Hall's for that matter).
Forget about times. Both of them have competed brilliantly in the marathon. I could absolutely see Kara getting down around 2:20... and being a 2:20 girl at the games, who knows how to race, definitely puts her in medal contention. And this was despite some pretty bad advice and coaching from Salazar. Will be interesting to see how she does with Jerry.
Wrt Jerry. Teg has always been injury prone... as has Jager. Solinsky gets 1 injury in 10 years under Jerry (or however long its been) and now all of a sudden Jerry is at fault?
Shalane has had a great last 12 months. Between NY, Cross, and a successful track season (she was too close to her PRs to say it was a failure. It was arguably her best 2 SEASONS ever) she's been unbelievable.
Bumbi made huge strides in year 1.
Nelson ran well this year, improving yet again.
Bairu and Koll were disappointments this year, but every year there will be some who thrive and some who dive.
Overall, though, I don't see how there is a better coach in the country then Jerry.
And he wouldn't be doing his athletes any favors if he didn't continue to lobby for resources, recruit new and established athletes, and justify his existence with his employer. Every successful businessman, coach, etc does that. If you don't, a more aggressive person will push you aside and eat your lunch.
Conto,
During your rant I missed where you talked about all of Jerry's success in the MARATHON.
Nelson ran 2:15 C- for a sub 27:50 guy
Bairu ran horrible in NY F. and got hurt during training for his second one F.
Shalane jogged for 21 miles and raced for 5 miles for a 2:28. Incomplete
Am I forgetting anyone?
This stinks of the same desperation that Webb joining Alberto did. We'll see what happens. Could potentially be incredible, but could be a disaster.
It was the only choice that makes sense financially. Lets see if this situation lasts past 2012. I say no way.
well in the end, what else could she have done? She is a superstar, distance running version, so Nike wasn't going to fire her.
Schumacher has a great group in the area, and it probably needs a kick start, since Shalane had a blah 2011 after world xc, and Koll had a zero 2011.
Actually I predicted this two weeks ago:
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I'm thinking Shalane, Kara and Lisa Koll would be a fine training group (in more ways than one) somewhere
That wouldn't upset the nike cart too bad would it?
Maybe they would let Adam train with them too - a 65 minute half isn't horrible.
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So let's compare Schumacher with Salazar's success in coaching the marathon- it's pretty much limited to Kara.
I'm not knocking either Salazar or Schumacher, but they've both coached successfully on the track and had decent half marathon performances from their athletes, but neither one has a consistent record of getting podium performances from their athletes in the marathon.
Looking just at the 2 coaches' success in the marathon, I think Kara is getting a new coach with a similar record to her old coach.
They want to go back home to Colorado Springs where Adam grew up and where his synagouge is. Sorry to hear they couldm't make the arrangements.
Nope. Colorado was NEVER in the plans.