Asbel 3'30.46

And yet he did.

someone on t&f posted :

Andrew Kiptoo, the pacer, says he's been requested to hit 1'49 at the 800m mark in an effort to make it quick between Kiprop and Laalou

so, 1'49 may not have been requested by asbel, but foisted on him

who knows?

however, no one, unless they have 3'26 ability goes out in 1'49

ventolin^3 wrote:

someone on t&f posted :

Andrew Kiptoo, the pacer, says he's been requested to hit 1'49 at the 800m mark in an effort to make it quick between Kiprop and Laalou

so, 1'49 may not have been requested by asbel, but foisted on him

who knows?

however, no one, unless they have 3'26 ability goes out in 1'49

Once again, Kiprop did.

1:49.9 is fast, but it's not as insane as you guys are making it out to be. As I already said, Ramzi and Dan K. Komen went out a full second faster when they ran 3:29low. I know I've seen 1500s go out in 1:50 before, which isn't much different from 1:49.9.

As for racing and going out fast, I've found going out a little over your head is actually a very good way to run faster, at least at 800m-mile. We would intentionally do it once or twice a season in high school and my coach referred to it as "race shock." Even if you die, the idea is that the next time you go out that fast you're able to hang on a little bit better (whether for physiological or psychological reasons). I found it to work. I wouldn't be so quick to say going out in 1:49 for a 3:30 guy is that stupid.

i don't believe komen followed ramzi closely in that race & was 1'50+

only coe & ramzi have ever recorded 1'49

add possibly hicham in rieti '02 en-route to 2'44 split

have to dig that one out

His first post was actually great.

All he did was list the splits.

No opinion. Just splits.

ventolin^3 wrote:

ridiculous pace

no one there can go 3'26

1'51/1'52 was what shouda been requested

You are right, but knowing the Kenyan mentality he probably thought he could do 3:26

ukathleticscoach wrote:You are right, but knowing the Kenyan mentality he probably thought he could do 3:26

he's not that dumb

i've seen enough interviews with him to uncategorise him as idiot

even a 3rd grader coud work out 3'30 musta been goal & you do that with 1'52 NOT 1'49

ventolin^3 wrote:

no

if you are a 3'31pb & you have been thru countless races in 1'52, but then slacked off to 3'31, the 1st & only "experimenting" you do is to try & run the last 700m at similar pace, not going out to 58 & mustering some sprint 250 - 300 from tape for 3'31

you don't go & "experiment" with a 1'49 split

The man is the Olympic Champion and the World Champion. As far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever the heck he wants to in his races. Most people don't go do something dumb, run the last 300 in about 45-46, and still win by 5 seconds with guys like Nick Willis in the field. If he went out and won the race by .02, or finished 3rd in 3:36.xx, nobody would give it a second thought. He just went for it and obliterated a decent field, and now we're giving him sh!t for it...?

Yea, I should add something constructive to this thread rather than ragging on ventolin. I love what Kiprop did with the race. It was great to see somebody actually go after it with all the sit-and-kicks we've seen this year.

the "official" trifecta for all-time great in this day'n'age requires <3'30, albeit he already "looked" high-3'28/low-3'29 in peking chasing after monstrous ramzi

the physics of uneven pace are not generous, but i'll post some anyways

400/800/1100/1500 splits for a 3'30.00

some hypotheticals :

56.0/56.0/56.0/42.0 ->3'30.00

55.0/57.0/56.0/42.0 ->3'29.92

54.0/58.0/56.0/42.0 ->3'29.71

...

54.0/58.0/58.0/40.0 ->3'29.37

54.0/58.0/59.0/39.0 ->3'28.94

physics doesn't incorporate lactate debt of a ~ 3'30 guy going out in 54, but you have some numbers to start as a basis...

however, physics does help sometimes if you have fast laps

aouita chasing cram for 3'29.7 with last lap of 52.7

2'37.0/52.7 ->3'29.16

with uneveness of initial 1100, that obviously means

< 3'29

ventolin^3 wrote:

i don't believe komen followed ramzi closely in that race & was 1'50+

only coe & ramzi have ever recorded 1'49

I think you're correct there. I have the exact splits for both somewhere from the video recording, but can't place them at moment. From memory the first rabbit went through in 1:48 with Ramzi in about 1:49.5 and Komen just behind in about 1:50 flat. Komen benefitted in that he was drafted pretty much until the last home straight by Ramzi. Ramzi received v. little drafting if I remember, which made his 3:29.2 remarkable, at least until the CERA + came out.

hmmmmmmmm wrote:

comeonnow wrote:

How is him going out in 1:49 AND setting a personal best anything but badass?

Is anyone saying it is? Pointing out that pacing was not ideal is not an insult.

I think the pace was a bit fast, but it was pretty even on the first 3 laps.

The video is up on Youtube now, and despite terrible camerawork and strange angles, I managed to make out the following splits: -

54.9, 1:49.91, 2:46.61 - which are laps of 54.9, 55.0, 56.7, then a final 300m of 43.85.

It's actually nearer 1:50 for 800m, and he received pretty good (if not perfect) pacing for those first 2 laps. It's certainly a walk in the park compared to Ramzi's (52.5, 1:49.5) and Coe's (52.4, 1:49.1) first 2 laps in their respective runs.

Although the camera doesn't show them going through the 300, 700, 1100m mark, I've managed to work out a rough time by looking at their relative speed on each lap and using it with times given at points nearby.

I get a 700m time for Kiprop of 1:36.0, a 1000m time of 2:18.0 and a 1100m of 2:32.0. So again, he was pretty even with his pace (despite it being a bit too ambitious)

He really hits the wall over the last lap though, with his last 4 100m being: -

2:32.0, ....14.6 (2:46.6), 14.2 (3:00.8), 15.0 (3:15.8) and 14.7

They had a camera on the finish, and it was 2:32.26 at 1100. He will run 3:28-3:29 before all is said and done, but this was the tactics or pace required for a 3:26-3:27 athlete.

Jimmy McJimson wrote:

They had a camera on the finish, and it was 2:32.26 at 1100. He will run 3:28-3:29 before all is said and done, but this was the tactics or pace required for a 3:26-3:27 athlete.

Is that an official split? Could you please tell me where you got it from?

Many thanks. :0)