no doubt that was a deliberate move to obstruct xiang. no doubt.
shameful and lame, robles. you suck. cheater.
no doubt that was a deliberate move to obstruct xiang. no doubt.
shameful and lame, robles. you suck. cheater.
Liu must have been juiced when he got to tell Dayron he was DQ'd.
The beauty of it is that we don't need to interpret intentions. The rules state that you stay in your lane. Especially if you know something about hurdles, then you know that the unrealistic rules require you to keep every part of your body in that lane. Robles clearly fails to do that. Liu actually does a great job of getting slightly to the side in his lane so that the right side of his body stays in his lane. Robles completely fails at this, whether on purpose or not, and brings both his leg and arm into Liu's lane. Clear grounds for DQ of Robles, regardless of intent.
At first I thought the DQ was the wrong call, then watching the slow-mo from the front, you see that Robles tries not once, not twice, but three times to obstruct Liu. The DQ is the right call.
HurdleCoach wrote:
hurdle stud wrote:i've been a hurderler from 8th grade to college and i never had an incident even close to this. sure i brushed against hand a few times, but nothing as deliberate as Robles. it was 100% intentional.
Robles is absolutely classless. it's a shame that dickhead cost a great runner in Xiang a medal.
he should be fined, suspended, and given a final warning from officials. if pulls this bush league garbage again he should be banned.
Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks Robles intentionally tried to hit Xiang has no idea what they are talking about. It is very easy to get off balance going over the barriers.
To hurdle Stud, you obviously are not a real competitive high hurdler, if you even hurdle at all. What we witnessed happens all the time. I have seen hurdlers get hit in the chest by the competitor in the next lane when both are close to the lane line, hitting each other over every barrier.
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I think instead of criticising hurdle stud, you should change you name to something other than hurdle coach. You seem to have no feel for the event at all.
You also don't seem to have seen the video. Intention is completely irrelevant here. The rules don't mention intent. Its all about impeding and staying in your lane.
Two things Robles failed dramatically at.
funny how the 4th place guy (after the DQ) - Oliver - says this is normal and nothing happened out of the ordinary. I would take HIS opinion over all of you arm-chair "pinko-hating" jerks anyday. Talk about a bunch of conspiracists!!
Having said that, Robles was DQ'd becuase Liu (the chinese federation anyway) protested and it was decided that there was impeding contact (like with Baala in his heat). That ones presumes that Robles went out of his way to cheat is ridiculous! Nevertheless I agree with the DQ that he in fact impeded (after slow-motion analysis) Liu, but this tirade against his character is just plain childish. Please grow up all of you!
can-can wrote:
funny how the 4th place guy (after the DQ) - Oliver - says this is normal and nothing happened out of the ordinary. I would take HIS opinion over all of you arm-chair "pinko-hating" jerks anyday. Talk about a bunch of conspiracists!!
Having said that, Robles was DQ'd becuase Liu (the chinese federation anyway) protested and it was decided that there was impeding contact (like with Baala in his heat). That ones presumes that Robles went out of his way to cheat is ridiculous! Nevertheless I agree with the DQ that he in fact impeded (after slow-motion analysis) Liu, but this tirade against his character is just plain childish. Please grow up all of you!
Totally agree. Intent has nothing to do with this. Its completely irrelevant
HurdleCoach - admit that Robles left his lane.
Robles tried to catch Xiang's had 3 times and was successful twice.
What a pathetic reactions on this board!
So abusive towards Robles, obnoxious and wrongly. By the way obnoxious and wrongly makes stupid!
Yes it is obvious that Robles hits Liu on the 10th hurdle. And he's aware of that himself. That's the reason why is not happy at all after the finishline.
But it is also obvious that Robles hits Liu's arm at passing the 9th hurdle, because Liu's left arm is in Robles' lane!!!!!
That is the cause why Robles is out of balance and very likely lost a bit of orientation there, and starts drifting in his lane.
The outcome is clear, but caused by Liu!
The disqualification is unjust, the endresult still should be 1. Robles, 2. Richardson and 3. Xiang Liu.
After looking at the video for longer, I agree that the contact was 100% intentional.
The first time he tries it, he sweeps his hand with fingers outstretched, searching for the contact--the first time in the race, I think, that his fingers were outstretched on the sweep.
The second time he tries it, he makes sure to sweep his hand higher than in any previous armswing in the race, to guarantee contact.
The third time was a verification of the first time, heck, if you did it once, why not do it again.
But I don't know if he intentionally ventured into LX's lane. DR might have believed that LX was encroaching on his lane, and might have decided to make intentional contact to defend his turf.
Regardless, if I was on the jury, I would vote that the contact was an entirely intentional and considered act on the part of Robles.
Considering that it cost LX the gold, I also think it worthy of outrage. A suspension, at least, should be considered IMHO.
The Slow Motion is Telling wrote:
HurdleCoach wrote:Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks Robles intentionally tried to hit Xiang has no idea what they are talking about.
I'm talking about the video, in slow motion. I'm not talking about how many years you were coaching before Robles pulled this stunt. I was as non-believing as you when I saw it twice at full speed. In slow motion, oh my. It was intentional. I had an opinion that it was incidental, till I watched what Robles had done, not disguised by the speed.
You might have "seen" a lot over four or forty four years of coaching, but if you can't see one guy trying, trying and trying to obstruct another, look at it again in slow motion. Watch, two things from the beginning: 1) how far Robles is from the right of his hurdles, the left on the screen, and how close his right arm and hand are to his body in his natural running motion. Hurdle after hurdle, till he goes after Liu. He's intentionally running forward then he has a second intent. His motions don't lie. They changed and he achieved exactly what he wanted in those moments. He crossed the line first and Liu did not, with his lega and his arm, each doing what he intended.
If he could actually do that intentionally while leading the 100m hurdles in a world champion race then he deserves the gold medal.
If your arm leaves your lane, there's no contact, and it has no consequences in the race, I don't see why anything should be called.
If your arm leaves your lane, there's contact, and it affects the race, it should be called. It's not roller derby.
The tape clearly shows that Robles put his arm into Liu's lane, had contact with Liu, and impeded him. The contact should have been called and Robles should have been DQ'd.
The contact looks intentional to me and Robles' weird uncomfortable demeanor after the race is another sign to me of a guilty conscience where Robles is worried about whether any caught what he did, but whether it's intentional or not doesn't really matter - it happened and it impeded Liu.
I'm not outraged, because people do dumb desperate things on impulse sometimes. I do think Robles is being a punk by blaming the DQ on being Cuban when the evidence is clear that he fouled Liu.
I doubt that at the pace they are moving, Robles had the intention of grabbing Liu's hand. However, it's tough to watch the race and not think that Robles meant to throw his arm into Liu's lane over the last few hurdles, especially the way the race was unfolding (Xiang was running him down)
Regardless of whether or not it was intentional, I really hope that both of these guys, and Oliver, stay healthy for London next year, this will make for an absolutely epic final there
HurdleCoach wrote:
If this is a DQ, which I do not agree with, then we might as well DQ somebody in every hurdle race and every distance race when somebody gets bumped and gets a little off balance.
After the race, you notice none of the hurdlers were complaining or were outraged. It was just another common hurdle race. I repeat....this happens all the time. To DQ someone almost an hour after the race is total BS. If his actions were blatant he would have been DQ'd on the spot.
It wasn't an accidental collision, he grabbed Xiang's hand, twice. Robles was playing rollerball, Xiang was trying to win a foot race.
Okay... at first, before watching the slowmo, I thought it was unintentional. I was ready to post that many of you were Robles haters. BUT... as the slowmo unfurled, I saw it - plain as day.
Robles is one crafty SOB!!!
He started out the race in the lead and closed fisted. All is good. As the race progressed and he realized he was about to lose, his flailing increased in it's expanse and his fingers opened, almost as if searching. With fingers spread wide, he swept for Xiang and said "Damn, I missed"...on the second try, he adjusted his sweep a bit lower and practically grabbed his arm to push it back. Xiang only contacted with 10th hurdle because of the contact.
Verdict - DQ was totally justified and it was intentional.
I thought the exact same thing when I watched the race on TV until I went back and watched several older races with Robles and it's just his hurdle form. Take a look at his video at the 2:10 mark and you can clearly see he does the same exact movement over every hurdle.
I can't believe no one has mentioned the Wedgie that DR "accidentally" gave LX between H8 and H9!
Also he passed wind vigorously in the blocks to get Liu to jump (Liu is deaf in his left ear and that ploy failed).
Watching the DL race, Robles had the same sweeping action with his right hand went over the hurdles, but he also stayed more on the left side of his lane so it wasn't a problem
Anyhow, the interference happened, so whether Robles meant to or not it was a righteous DQ.
Jolly Roger Rabbit wrote:
Watching the DL race, Robles had the same sweeping action with his right hand went over the hurdles, but he also stayed more on the left side of his lane so it wasn't a problem
Anyhow, the interference happened, so whether Robles meant to or not it was a righteous DQ.
Yeah, I'm not convinced it was intentional, even after watching the slow replay several times. He has this weird action with his right arm that causes it to drift out, and it got exaggerated as he lost balance and started drifting to his right. If you start falling to the right, you lift up your right arm and lower your left arm to compensate.
Still, definitely DQ worthy. Liu Xiang gave him this look of incredulity before the finish line and it was well deserved.
