Now change the whole fatty thing to past tense and your post would make sense in the context of this thread.
Now change the whole fatty thing to past tense and your post would make sense in the context of this thread.
damn I gained 10 pounds at BCT this summer, looks like I'll never be able to run fast again
Getting Lean And Fast wrote:
Okay, when did I say 6 to 9 miles a day was training "hard". Nope, I never said it was hard. So good job on putting words in my mouth....
...I have a do or die mentality. I mean that I'm either going to eat extremely healthy and put in big miles and tough work outs. I'd rather either go all out for optimal fitness or not really care...
These two statement seem inconsistent. So, are you going all out for optimal fitness with the 6 to 9 miles a day or aren't you? And if you are, isn't going all out "tough"?
Getting Lean And Fast wrote:
Now change the whole fatty thing to past tense and your post would make sense in the context of this thread.
The insecurities/defensiveness of a fatty, present or prior, come glaring through with this reaction. Did the skinny kids make you feel bad enough that you had to return to your glory days as a mediocre HS runner?
Just so everyone understands, weight increase is NOT proportional with height increase.
Weight goes up with the cube of the height.
For example, if Lagat is 68 inches and 134lbs, then Galen Rupp, at 71", would have to be 134*(71/68)^3 = 152.5lbs, or 18.5lbs heavier.
(to be proportionally the same)
Vertigo wrote:
Getting Lean And Fast wrote:Now change the whole fatty thing to past tense and your post would make sense in the context of this thread.
The insecurities/defensiveness of a fatty, present or prior, come glaring through with this reaction. Did the skinny kids make you feel bad enough that you had to return to your glory days as a mediocre HS runner?
Troll harder. It's not working yet.
the gecko wrote:
Getting Lean And Fast wrote:Okay, when did I say 6 to 9 miles a day was training "hard". Nope, I never said it was hard. So good job on putting words in my mouth....
...I have a do or die mentality. I mean that I'm either going to eat extremely healthy and put in big miles and tough work outs. I'd rather either go all out for optimal fitness or not really care...
These two statement seem inconsistent. So, are you going all out for optimal fitness with the 6 to 9 miles a day or aren't you? And if you are, isn't going all out "tough"?
To clarify, I was doing the 6 to 9 miles a day to just get my running legs back and try to shed some weight. I wasn't doing these runs to achieve running greatness. Once I cleaned up my diet, then I felt I could really start doing interval workouts and have them be effective.
The 6 to 9 miles thing was just my starting point to get fit. Not my peak workouts. Sorry for the confusion mate.
My several cents...
In all of the studies ever done on exercise and weight loss, it has been impossible to prove that exercise leads to weight loss... it has NEVER been proven.
Carbohydrate=Fat Accumulation in those more apt to partition food to storage.
Exercise makes you hungrier.
Net calories burned/calories-in-calories-out has NEVER worked for weight loss.
Cleaning up the diet, aka cutting out carbohydrate=fat loss.
Carbohydrate is unnecessary in the human diet (besides possibly fiber, but the jury is still out on that). When has anyone ever suffered from a "carbohydrate deficiency?"
We've been brainwashed as runners (and society)... "healthy whole grains" are a joke. See: Lyon Heart Study<--Mediterranean Diet VS. AHA Diet
In the words of Gary Taubes, "Lance Armstrong rides his bike six hours a day because he's skinny. He's not skinny because he rides his bike six hours a day." Weighing food is not necessary because we aren't balloons that just collect what we eat... our bodies do something with the food. Absent carbohydrate they don't seem to store it.
The thing that makes good runners thin (regardless of diet) is probably the same thing that makes them fast... their bodies use (partition) fuel very well.
Eat less. Breakfast is overrated. Eat meat. Eat your veggies. Eat whatever the hell you want as long as an hour later you are still hungry.
Learn to live with that. Americans stuff themselves and that's why their guts are the most prominent feature on their bodies.
Get quality calories and energy in smaller meals and learn to be light and a little hungry at all time, unless you are ovr 120 miles a week and are depleting your stores every day.
So why when i am injured and keep basically the same diet I gain 10lbs or so and lose it by just getting back into running again with out any change in diet.
CuriousC wrote:
My several cents...
In all of the studies ever done on exercise and weight loss, it has been impossible to prove that exercise leads to weight loss... it has NEVER been proven.
Carbohydrate=Fat Accumulation in those more apt to partition food to storage.
Exercise makes you hungrier.
Net calories burned/calories-in-calories-out has NEVER worked for weight loss.
Cleaning up the diet, aka cutting out carbohydrate=fat loss.
Carbohydrate is unnecessary in the human diet (besides possibly fiber, but the jury is still out on that). When has anyone ever suffered from a "carbohydrate deficiency?"
We've been brainwashed as runners (and society)... "healthy whole grains" are a joke. See: Lyon Heart Study<--Mediterranean Diet VS. AHA Diet
In the words of Gary Taubes, "Lance Armstrong rides his bike six hours a day because he's skinny. He's not skinny because he rides his bike six hours a day." Weighing food is not necessary because we aren't balloons that just collect what we eat... our bodies do something with the food. Absent carbohydrate they don't seem to store it.
The thing that makes good runners thin (regardless of diet) is probably the same thing that makes them fast... their bodies use (partition) fuel very well.
Getting Lean And Fast wrote:
I'm not hoping to be faster. I am faster. (I know this based on my paces during long runs and interval work-outs.)
Okay fine, I'll hedge, FOR ME, diet is the most important factor toward determining my running performance (pretty sure I already stated this).
Oh, and only on LetsRun is 6'0'' 178 lbs "fat".
Truly, how in heaven's name is 178 fat if someone's over 6 foot tall?
I consider myself remarkably on the light side and I'm 6'3" 170-175 (obviously my weight fluctuates day-to-day).
All props to you guys that run 50-100 miles a week and can do their sub 5 minute miles but believe me, looking like a twig while doing so is NOT cool lol
[quote]coach d wrote:
KB is the same height and a few pounds HEAVIER than Lagat.
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Coach D you must be relying on the IAFF numbers, the first ones that came from a bing search. But I'm pretty sure Bekele is about 5'4" and weighs 120 lbs. Here are some references:
http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/be/kenenisa-bekele-1.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer08/fanguide/athlete?athlete=37677
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/ETH/Kenenisa+Bekele/224729
And here's a pictture of him next to Lagat:
BTW great shot, that's what it means to be a winner.
Oh yeah, weight matters, DUH
Yes and no. You have to keep in mind your body fat %. If you heavy because you carrying around fat then yes it would be wise to clean up the diet. But if your carrying around lean muscle then I don't think weight makes a huge difference unless your like a body builder. Solinsky is big but he's lean.
For the most part I think you can eat pretty much anything you want, but I think there are some things you can do as far as meal timing that can allow you to shed weight easier if it's fat your looking to loose.
You can try eating 2 big meals before 2pm. So morning run before breakfast or a small breakfast like a piece of fruit and a shot of coffee would be good. Then after the run a big breakfast. Then make lunch your biggest meal of the day but finish it up before 2pm. No meat and sweets after 2pm. Then say at 4:30-5:00 second run then have a small dinner, like a small salad and steamed veggies, but no meat or sweets. A little bit of carbohydrate is okay like a potato or something. But should be your smallest meal.
The first few days if your not used to eating a big lunch you'll be tired after eating so much but after a few days you begin to feel really energized.
The benefit of this is that instead of storing crap after a big dinner when you sleep you'll be pretty close to a fastest state and you'll burn stores while you sleep, you'll wake up fasted but energized assuming you getting your run in around 5:30-6:00 am. If you wait till 9 or 10 am to eat you get hungry really quick, that's because your blood sugar naturally drops early in the day and then goes back up towards the night while you sleep. The reason for this is because while your sleeping your brain is very active and so blood sugar raises to support this activity. Anyway so the idea is that you want to let your body at night burn and repair and during the day your refueling following the natural rhythms of your blood sugar fluctuations.
I ran a 17:02 5k XC weighing 75kg (165) off 5 weeks training age 19. lol.
former PB and weight were 17:00 (road) and 67kg (147) age 16.
height 184 so just over 6 foot.
so you can still run when you're heavy.. its just harder.
gsgwgwegwge wrote:
I also get annoyed with people saying "your body will find your proper weight." What does that even mean?
If you're overeating, you're overeating. Don't listen to the chumps
It means that if you have any sense of self control and only eat when you're actually hungry and only eat relatively healthy foods, you should naturally be at your best weight for running. The problem is that most people lack that control and will eat out of boredom or will eat terrible food, like that Big Mac, that gives them a quick fix.
CuriousC wrote:
My several cents...
In all of the studies ever done on exercise and weight loss, it has been impossible to prove that exercise leads to weight loss... it has NEVER been proven.
Carbohydrate=Fat Accumulation in those more apt to partition food to storage.
Exercise makes you hungrier.
Net calories burned/calories-in-calories-out has NEVER worked for weight loss.
Cleaning up the diet, aka cutting out carbohydrate=fat loss.
Carbohydrate is unnecessary in the human diet (besides possibly fiber, but the jury is still out on that). When has anyone ever suffered from a "carbohydrate deficiency?"
We've been brainwashed as runners (and society)... "healthy whole grains" are a joke. See: Lyon Heart Study<--Mediterranean Diet VS. AHA Diet
In the words of Gary Taubes, "Lance Armstrong rides his bike six hours a day because he's skinny. He's not skinny because he rides his bike six hours a day." Weighing food is not necessary because we aren't balloons that just collect what we eat... our bodies do something with the food. Absent carbohydrate they don't seem to store it.
The thing that makes good runners thin (regardless of diet) is probably the same thing that makes them fast... their bodies use (partition) fuel very well.
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curiousc, you've been brain washed.
I agree. I over eat. My wife over feeds me, she over eats and thinks its something else. And our dog snacks all the time.
We love each other to death.
Tonight she made my fav meal and I ate a bowl of it big enough to feed a Thai village.
I then went back and had an extra bowl bigger than the first. And I gave the dog a little piece of meat from each bowl.
It might have been a bigger piece if I hadn't bitten it in half before I gave it to him. It was my fav after all, and he is a fatty.
It was for his own good.
A number of good points were made here. A lot of people think it's easy to lose weight, but they fail to take into account the environment in which the runner is evolving. Trying to lose weight when you have to look at a snacking dog will drain even the most steely resolve.
Since I hit 30 last year I seem to have a problem controlling my weight (body fat) - keeping it high enough so I don't look scary.
I have run since I was 8, but didn't make a very good level, 14:30 5K etc. I train now, but not very much and I'm hardly ever racing.
Maybe in one week i do:
3 weights sessions (50minutes)
2 interval sessions (5000m volume)
1 tempo (3-5mi)
3 60minute runs. (6min/mile avg)
I am battling to keep my weight up. My body fat is extremely low I have a very hollow face and have very lean muscle mass (despite pumping for aize in the gym).
I am eating as much as I physically can, plenty of fat too, biscuits, large meals, massive plates of pasta. I even started using weight gain formula as a meal supplement.
What the hell is wrong with me? If I didnt force feed myself I'd look like hell and I'm pretty close to looking like that now.
Any ideas what to do? I don't want to look emaciated!