New school record for Centrowitz!

until he runs that on campus it shouldn't be a school record

lease wrote:

gykkdty wrote:

Yes, I believe this is the criterion.

In which case, why are people saying that he set a collegiate record? Some guy named [Ryun] ran 3:33.1 in 1967, when he was a rising college sophomore...

Here's the best video I could find of that race:

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=44790

And here's Ryun's discussion of that race (and the White City mile, which I believe was later that year):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt8HIRvZNaM&playnext=1&list=PL2932BC93558C77F8

He was 19, gang.

Wow! he ran that at 19 - he must of gotten a ton faster when he got older (competed till he was 25 right?) had better tracks to run on and all sorts of other advantages fame can provide. I mean if you run 3:33.1 when you are 19 its pretty much a given you would run 3:28/3:29 by the time you are 23 right?

Wonder if Centro will test positive soon ?

So after finishing his senior year at Oregon, Centrowitz's time is a school record for Oregon, it is faster than the collegiate record but it is not a new collegiate record, it is slower than Wheating's time last year set after his senior year at Oregon, which is not an Oregon record.

Hooray!

centro has one more year left of outdoor track. He was a junior for the ducks this past spring.

toro wrote:

So after finishing his senior year at Oregon, Centrowitz's time is a school record for Oregon, it is faster than the collegiate record but it is not a new collegiate record, it is slower than Wheating's time last year set after his senior year at Oregon, which is not an Oregon record.

Hooray!

Another way of thinking about it is that, prior to his senior year Centro went undefeated thru the US championships and PR'd with a 3:34 (thus far) and will be attending the world championships. Nice little year.

What!? So no collegiate record should count unless run an a campus? Delete yourself from this board, please!

o.O wrote:

until he runs that on campus it shouldn't be a school record

Anyone know Centro Jr? What is he like as a person? Just curious, I find him hard to read.

Thanks

I am just pointing out that records have conditions.

Wheating ran 3:30 the summer after completing 4 years of college.

Centro ran 3:34 the summer after completing 4 years of college while having a 5th year of eligibility.

If Centro's time counts as a school record than the summer is not the extension of this year's outdoor track season but the beginning of next year's track season.

And there is still XC and indoors before outdoors really starts.

Then again, Wheating ran 3:30 as a pro.

But the whole pro thing is an NCAA thing not a school thing.

The NCAA nor Track and Field News recognizes summer times as records.

All that being said, I actually agree if Oregon recognizes Centro's time as the school record.

Anyone know Centro Jr? What is he like as a person? Just curious, I find him hard to read.

Thanks

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you trying to hit on him?

To be considered a truly great miler he needs either a 3:49 mile or either an Olympic or WC final showing.

Interesting how in the NCAA there is so much commotion over whether summer times count, whereas in high school they have no problem counting any summer times (even ones run after senior year) as records. Rupp set the 5000m high school record (13:37) on July 31 after his senior year, in Belgium, and went on to also run a 10000 in Europe that isn't the HS record but is one of the top few HS times ever.

There are 2 "national" collegiate record keeping groups and one recognizes marks through the end of the year while the other, Track and Field News, decided about 15 years ago to "end" the collegiate season with the NCAA meet even for athletes with eligibility remaining since it is not a collegiate event if held after that.

How each school chooses to recognize this is totally up to the school. I know MOST schools will count marks all the way through the end of summer as record or listing making.

Compounding this issue is the US is going to return to sending some athletes to the World University Games this year which we have not done in over a decade. This collegiate meet is held in late summer.

To me Wheating is the record holder at Oregon and the collegiate record holder but I appreciate purists approach to collegiate only competition but in doing so we must then say high school records can't be set at events like Pre ala Alan Webb's mile and before him Jim Ryun.

lease wrote:

gykkdty wrote:

Yes, I believe this is the criterion.

. . .

Some guy named [Ryun] ran 3:33.1 in 1967, when he was a rising college sophomore...

Here's the best video I could find of that race:

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=44790

And here's Ryun's discussion of that race (and the White City mile, which I believe was later that year):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt8HIRvZNaM&playnext=1&list=PL2932BC93558C77F8

He was 19, gang.

No, he wasn't. My bad. Ryun was 20 in 1967, a rising college (true) junior. He was 19 when he set his first world records (1:44.9y, 3:51.3), but 20 when he ran 3:51.1 and 3:33.1.

Who is keeping the other list?

Record man wrote:

To me Wheating is the record holder at Oregon and the collegiate record holder

Lagat would be the collegiate record ahead of Wheating.

3:30.56 to 3:30.90

joe9090 wrote:

To be considered a truly great miler he needs either a 3:49 mile or either an Olympic or WC final showing.

Thanks for that.

Making out like Centrowitz is at school is like making out like that Kenyan is really 16

Surely he is at college?

joe9090 wrote:

To be considered a truly great miler he needs either a 3:49 mile or either an Olympic or WC final showing.

The good news is you really showed all the people on this thread who were saying Centro is a truly great miler. The bad news is nobody was saying that, and you're clearly an idiot.