I remember the rumors and some of the names batted around. I was a freelance journalist at the time for T&FNews and RW and others. One known coach told me off the record about the drug fails but never would give me any names. It was, however, very common knowledge about Debus and others.
Back then, TAC did more to sweep positives under the table.
Trailrunnergary wrote:
Even where there is proof such as with the East German women and marathoner Cierpinski, their records and medals still stand.
The only "proof" was Frank Shorter supposedly seeing that info in some imaginary top secret documents, and coincidently he's the only one who's ever seen them.
classic interview wrote:
"At least 34 U.S. track and field athletes either tested positive or had possible positive tests during six weeks of informal testing by USOC in the spring of 1984, according to confidential USOC memos. None of the athletes was sanctioned or lost eligibility, according to USOC documents and interviews."
Either tested positive, or had possible positive tests.
What is a possible positive test????????
They were either positive or they weren't.
Maybe there were 0 positives and 34 negatives (therefore 34 "possible positives").
Was there even a real program or policy in place for '84? Wasn't the key behind the US cycling team that they were blood doping because it was legal?
I'm not entirely sure what your question is. Regarding the U.S. cycling team in 1984, the blood-doping program was a sleazy little enterprise conducted in secret by U.S. Cycling officials, employees, or contractors. Although the type of blood doping administered to various members of the U.S. Olympic cycling team may not have been expressly banned under then-current doping rules, U.S. governing bodies had been quite outspoken in their condemnation of the practice, so it was a huge embarrassment when it was revealed, after the '84 Games, that members of the very successful U.S. Olympic cycling team, with the assistance of individuals paid by U.S. Cycling, had been secretly engaging in the very practice that U.S. officials had been publicly condemning. It was, in fact, U.S. Cycling's embarrassment about the revelations over its doping practices at the '84 Games that quickly led to the promulgation of rules banning the practice, with the self-righteous folks at U.S. Cycling leading the way.
But U.S. Cycling's sleazy but not necessarily prohibited blood-doping program was obviously quite different from the nonpunitive drug-testing program conducted by USOC and TAC. Although officials may have sought to rationalize the program by claiming that they were simply trying to figure out the extent of banned doping practices among top U.S. athletes, it seems much more plausible that they were primarily concerned with avoiding positive tests for banned substances from U.S. athletes at the '84 Games.
In any event, I still hope to hear about the evidence backing up Lisa's assertion about Julie Brown -- not because I doubt Lisa's veracity, but because I want some details to confirm long-held suspicions. (To me, if a top athlete chose to work closely with someone like Debus or Charlie Francis for a number of years back in those days, there is something like a rebuttable presumption of doping. Athletes of good character can find coaches of good character.)
I never knew Julie Brown failed a drug test. Interesting. Does anyone know what she tested positive for?
In the midst of all this Salazar/NOP L-Carnitine stuff, we give Steve Scott a free pass after all these years because he was "the great white hope"?
"The great white hope" against Coe, Cram, and Abascal, not to mention Jim Spivey.
Leirbag wrote:
In the midst of all this Salazar/NOP L-Carnitine stuff, we give Steve Scott a free pass after all these years because he was "the great white hope"?
Leirbag wrote:
In the midst of all this Salazar/NOP L-Carnitine stuff, we give Steve Scott a free pass after all these years because he was "the great white hope"?
I never heard any suggestions of Scott doping back in the day.
TripleH
I can tell you first hand I never failed a drug test, in 1984 or ever, because I did not use drugs. It was a choice that was presented at the elite level, but my choice was no.
Julie
Who knew that Downtown Julie Brown was 60?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Julie_Brown
Not the same Julie, I'm guessing?
T.M.A.D.D.D.H.A.S.F.N.E.
Actually, 56. Probably still attractive. Wonder if the other Julie who claims to be clean still runs?
T.M.A.D.D.D.H.A.S.F.N.E.