xcr wrote:
He was clean. Never heard any doubts from insides, and I have been around enough who would have know
I'm sure he was, too. It just goes to show how disconnected some people are (even Olympic gold medalists) that think otherwise.
xcr wrote:
He was clean. Never heard any doubts from insides, and I have been around enough who would have know
I'm sure he was, too. It just goes to show how disconnected some people are (even Olympic gold medalists) that think otherwise.
I know he was 3rd at 1982 Euro champs (very tough, tactical race), but how did he do at 1982 Commonwealth Games in Brisbane?
1978 may have been a better year for him - Commonwealth 1500 champ & 3rd in Euro 1500.
he won the 5000m in '82 commonwealth games
wejo is poor at grammar/spelling/punctuation and only permits hard right conservative threads on the site. however, on the positive side, he and his people do a crackerjack job at recognizing important performances, providing contextual history, and getting most of the facts right quickly. he/they know their stuff. Moorcroft's run was unbelievable and no one today breaks 13 solo with no wabbits.j/k.
So Dave Bedford would have been second in this race at 13:17.21 using his almost world record time from 10 years earlier.
MikeM wrote:
I don't think a lot of people do think the Africans are dirty.
I guess you are new to letsrun.
There has been about a million threads in the last 10 years on here about "what would the WR's be if epo/steriods were never used?", and the majority of posters pick a time either by a non-african, or at least one from many, many years ago, i.e., they don't think the very best east africans from the last 15-20 years were clean.
And there have been a million other threads/posts about how the huge drop in distance WR's starting in the late '80's coincided with the introduction of EPO in athletics. In fact, co-founder of this site, rojo, wrote a piece detailing this connection. The only conclusion of such "connect the dots" pieces is: those responsible for such huge drops in the WR's (Geb, Tergat, Bekele, etc) must have been on drugs. Period, there is absolutely NO OTHER CONCLUSION one can reach from reading rojo's article. Of course when pushed to comment one way or another on these accusations, people like rojo back away (you can't have it both ways rojo: either you think those guys were dirty, or you disavow the conclusion of your piece. Care to comment?? Don't wuss out, it's an either or proposition).
http://www.letsrun.com/rojospeaksmay23.htmlAnd wejo himself stated that the guy who invented epo, when he died, was "responsible" for more distance gold medalists than anyone else. Who won 99% of those medals? East africans. Again, the only conclusion one can draw from such a comment is that he thinks the best east africans of the last 20 years were doped. Of course then he too tries to have it both ways (both insinuating drug use of the best east africans, AND celebrating their accomplishments in order to promote the site), by saying he was "joking."
And there have been a million other threads on here stating that Hermens, Rosa, and other euro coaches/agents of east africans have a shady past, therefore their runners must be dirty.
In short, there has been widespread assertion/insinuation on letsun, starting from the top down, that the best east africans have been using epo for years.
Just thought I set the record straight on that point for you.
xcr wrote:
he won the 5000m in '82 commonwealth games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjI98QlW52s&feature=related
Thanks much.
I find it amusing that this thread is suppose to be about David, and any such memories you might have of the "run", yet rurns into a discussion on drugs and other BS. I still have a photo of him during such run, I remember him having surgery for his calf/achilles? and then busting out this effort! Incredible performance hands down
Silly Old Fossil wrote:
I know he was 3rd at 1982 Euro champs (very tough, tactical race), but how did he do at 1982 Commonwealth Games in Brisbane?
1978 may have been a better year for him - Commonwealth 1500 champ & 3rd in Euro 1500.
He had the sort of purple patch we can only dream about, that lasted 2 months and that was in 82.
In June 82, he ran a 3.49.34 mile at Oslo.
In July 82, he ran his 13 minute 5000 and a 7.32.79 3000.
He was well past his peak at the Commonwealth - luckily, he hadn’t much in the way of completion.
He only approached that sort of form once again, and then only for the mile, when he ran a 3.50, once again in Oslo.
only me wrote:
of course American's should beWejo, I don't want to be a dick, but you work as a journalist/commentator and I think you attended a nice college, so you should know better. "Americans" is a simple plural, no possessive "'" is required.
Yes he intended a "nice" college, that taught him to be "nice," like rip on colleges like Oregon, on the front page, in headlines, while he continues to display horrible writing skills here.
Cornell's coaches could be reported to be child molesters elsewhere in the press -- and Weejo would still deflect by ripping on Oregon somehow.
pikey wrote:
xcr wrote:He was clean. Never heard any doubts from insides, and I have been around enough who would have know
I'm sure he was, too. It just goes to show how disconnected some people are (even Olympic gold medalists) that think otherwise.
You're sure he was? How?
Do you have any idea how many guys toyed with steroid at that time?
I don't believe they had been banned yet, nor was their a test for them.
Sir Lance-alot wrote:
MikeM wrote:I don't think a lot of people do think the Africans are dirty.
I guess you are new to letsrun.
There has been about a million threads in the last 10 years on here about "what would the WR's be if epo/steriods were never used?", and the majority of posters pick a time either by a non-african, or at least one from many, many years ago, i.e., they don't think the very best east africans from the last 15-20 years were clean.
And there have been a million other threads/posts about how the huge drop in distance WR's starting in the late '80's coincided with the introduction of EPO in athletics. In fact, co-founder of this site, rojo, wrote a piece detailing this connection. The only conclusion of such "connect the dots" pieces is: those responsible for such huge drops in the WR's (Geb, Tergat, Bekele, etc) must have been on drugs. Period, there is absolutely NO OTHER CONCLUSION one can reach from reading rojo's article. Of course when pushed to comment one way or another on these accusations, people like rojo back away (you can't have it both ways rojo: either you think those guys were dirty, or you disavow the conclusion of your piece. Care to comment?? Don't wuss out, it's an either or proposition).
http://www.letsrun.com/rojospeaksmay23.htmlAnd wejo himself stated that the guy who invented epo, when he died, was "responsible" for more distance gold medalists than anyone else. Who won 99% of those medals? East africans. Again, the only conclusion one can draw from such a comment is that he thinks the best east africans of the last 20 years were doped. Of course then he too tries to have it both ways (both insinuating drug use of the best east africans, AND celebrating their accomplishments in order to promote the site), by saying he was "joking."
And there have been a million other threads on here stating that Hermens, Rosa, and other euro coaches/agents of east africans have a shady past, therefore their runners must be dirty.
In short, there has been widespread assertion/insinuation on letsun, starting from the top down, that the best east africans have been using epo for years.
Just thought I set the record straight on that point for you.
For the kind of money these East Africans took home for those medals...they'd have taken EPO suppositories, and worn EPO earrings with EPO bracelets.
Take some people who live in huts in the dust, and put some greedy European agents, managers and doctors in front of them who say "if you take this it will make you win the gold medal," and the rubes would take it.
You can rest assured that Ethiopia and Kenya won't be having their federal prosecutors (failed former athletes) trying to bring down their national heroes.
Thank you for proving my point.
Get Real Real wrote:
For the kind of money these East Africans took home for those medals...they'd have taken EPO suppositories, and worn EPO earrings with EPO bracelets.
Take some people who live in huts in the dust, and put some greedy European agents, managers and doctors in front of them who say "if you take this it will make you win the gold medal," and the rubes would take it.
You can rest assured that Ethiopia and Kenya won't be having their federal prosecutors (failed former athletes) trying to bring down their national heroes.
Get Real Real wrote:I don't believe they had been banned yet, nor was their a test for them.
they were banned from at least early '70s & there were tests for them
There was a piece on Tony Sandoval by David Epstein in the Where Are They Now issue last week:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1172583/index.htm
ventolin^3 wrote:
they (steroids) were banned from at least early '70s & there were tests for them
There may have been tests since the '70's, but did those tests do much to stop usage in the 70's, 80's, and 90's?
100 10.49 Florence Griffith Joyner (US) Indianapolis, Indiana 7/16/88
(T&FN believes the 10.49 is illegally wind-aided and should never have been accepted as the World Record;
we think Griffith Joyner's 10.61 the next day should be the recognized mark)
200 21.34 Florence Griffith Joyner (US) Seoul, South Korea 9/29/88
400 47.60 Marita Koch (East Germany) Canberra, Australia 10/06/85
800 1:53.28 Jarmila Kratochvílová (Czechoslovakia) Munich, Germany 7/26/83
I had missed this wonderful story--thanks for mentioning it.
reader wrote:
There was a piece on Tony Sandoval by David Epstein in the Where Are They Now issue last week:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1172583/index.htm
The tests were S-O-O-O good back then that all the athletes were "scared straight". Not a single doping positive in Moscow '80!
only me wrote:
Wejo, I don't want to be a dick,
Ever notice how every single time someone says something like that -- "I don't want to be a dick" they then immediately proceed to be one in the very next sentence?
It's as if they think saying that somehow excuses them.
if you've never watched the last few laps, watch this, great commentary