When will we see a battle of the A-Dubbs?
Just the two A-Dubbs no others, no rabbits, just two guys racing around the track one A-Dubb against the other A-Dubb
for the right to be the only runner calledA-Dubb .
I`d spend a penny to see that race.
When will we see a battle of the A-Dubbs?
Just the two A-Dubbs no others, no rabbits, just two guys racing around the track one A-Dubb against the other A-Dubb
for the right to be the only runner calledA-Dubb .
I`d spend a penny to see that race.
wow this Gregson guy sounds like a black swan from hell. I pick Wheating over Webb. he's muscular. got my imagination firing over what he could do with a little weight loss. streamline the whole machine and fine tuning. Gregson's got my attention. is this guy for real?
Pretty good question.
I see talent as your ultimate potential.
Running faster times at earlier ages wouldn't matter.
If they both ran to their full potential who would be faster when all is said and done?
Webb put in some serious training in HS so we got to see his potential earlier.
Wheating is progressing nicely.
I'll say Wheating.
He may have the natural ability to post a faster lifetime PR than Webb could have.
It's very subjective, though.
I'm with the guy who points out Webb's 10k time. Most of you seem to remember Webb for his accomplishments in the mile/1500, but I raced against the guy in high school and was impressed by how much he destroyed me in 5ks and the like.
Webb's range makes him one of the most talented runners of all time.
Only Aouita demonstrated similar (maybe slightly better) range.
But his performances are very suspect.
Webb!
Before Webb started having problems he was only a season away from running 3:28. Check out YouTube, you will see races where Webb manhandled dream mile type fields. Webb won races where he lead from the gun or outkicked everyone in the last 50 meters. When he ran his 3:30 it was a race when the focus was winning, he clearly was not focusing on time, he really wanted to win that race. In 2007, Webb was w/o a doubt the best miler in the world...certaintly in terms of talent.
Talent has never been Webb's problem.
webb has more talent obviously, wheating just works his ass off. did he even break 4:15 in high school? webb ran like what, 3:20 in the mile in high school?
the guy ran 1'43 & 27'34 ( albeit not same year )
the idea was to marry those for '08 ( unfortunately didn't happen )
1'43.5 / 27'20 - 27'25 ->
3'27.0 - 3'27.2
who's the most talented guy ?
ventolin^3 wrote:
the guy ran 1'43 & 27'34 ( albeit not same year )
the idea was to marry those for '08 ( unfortunately didn't happen )
1'43.5 / 27'20 - 27'25 ->
3'27.0 - 3'27.2
who's the most talented guy ?
Well, it depends on who it is. Seb Coe was enormous talented as is Said Aouita. I mean you have to consider all the facts. You have to also consider other greats like Jim Ryan, Liquori.
Also, forgot to mention, i don't think Webb ran 3:27.
Jamaul wrote:
Also, forgot to mention, i don't think Webb ran 3:27.
3:30.54 vs. 3:30.90, only a .36 difference. Yet, Webb did his at 24, Wheating at 22. Webb had an intensive aerobic background from 9 years of swimming and then 4 years of running in high school, whereas Wheating only began running his senior year and even then without a team or a coach.
Not only did Webb run a similiar 1500 time as Wheating when he was two years older, he was also almost bald. Wheating can't even grow a pencil moustache. Webb is much more mature physically and I believe he will reach his peak at an earlier age than Wheating (that is, if Webbs Peak age hasn't already passed.
What a guy wrote:
Not only did Webb run a similiar 1500 time as Wheating when he was two years older, he was also almost bald. Wheating can't even grow a pencil moustache. Webb is much more mature physically and I believe he will reach his peak at an earlier age than Wheating (that is, if Webbs Peak age hasn't already passed.
On a similar (albiet unrelated) note, did anyone see the interview with Wheating after NCAA XC 2008 when he mentions that he was an inch or so taller? this is interesting (if true) because it could point to late physical maturation, which makes a lot of what Wheating has done make sense.
I still lean towards Webb in the talent department though, the 10k time just screams at me.
I still lean towards Webb in the talent department though, the 10k time just screams at me.
Not to mention his 8:11 2 mile AR at 22.
Jamaul wrote:
Also, forgot to mention, i don't think Webb ran 3:27.
you missed the point
he was trying to build 800 speed 1y & 10k endurance the other in order to conflate as much of that 1'43/mid-27 ability for '08 - the big year
even if he had only managed 1'44.5 / 27'40 for '08, he couda been looking upto
~ 3'29.2
however, he was an endurance beast & i think he couda held on for a 27'30 ->3'28.8
either way, he wouda gone into peking as the likely favorite wih this potential
back in '07, i thought he woud ultimately, say by '12 be capable of simultaneous
1'43.25 / 27'20 - 27'00 ->
27'20 ->3'26.7
27'10 ->3'26.3
27'00 ->3'25.9
certainly a 3'26 guy, & a significant shot at the wr itself !
webb had that much potential...
!!! Is this even a serious question?!?!?!
For those of you who truly in your heart of hearts believe that ungainly little shuffler Alan Webb - he of ONE ridiculous year in which he became the 7th fastest miler in history and went from being a 1.46.0 800m runner to a 1.43 800m at some obscure meets in Europe (oh yeah coincidence, sure) was legit, you can not be serious.
Andrew Wheating is your talent. A 6-5 guy with legit 1.44.0 - 3.49 mile range (eventually) but more importantly a guy who CAN win major championships. He is your only hope. He has the ability to catch a down year at a WC or Olympic Games and win (see Nils Schumann 2000 (pr 1.44.3)) (see 1500m final from Beijing).
I can't even believe the answer to this is even being debated! Final input - have you ever watched both of them run? There's your simple answer.
I believe the answer is Andrew Wheating if we're talking about most talent specific to the 800-1500. But in terms of range I think Alan Webb is an unparalleled American talent.
If Wheating goes on to run 1:43.7 and 27:30 will he become more talented?
You just assume he can't hit those numbers.
A month ago I assumed he would never go under 3:33 in his life.
This is a dumb question. Different runners with different coaches who have competed at different times. You can say Wheating's more talented because he's run faster for the 1500/800 at a younger age. But Webb ran 3:53 in high school, which Wheating didn't do (but he wasn't running much in high school like Webb was). Webb has Wheating at every race over the mile (former AR in the 2-mile, 13:10, 27:34. Webb was, what, 11th? in NCAA Cross as a freshman, while Wheating finished around 70th in his 3rd year at Oregon.
At the end of the day, who cares? What matters is running fast and competing and winning. Both are obviously super-talented!
An easier debate is Fernandez v. Derrick. Fernandez is clearly more talented, but Derrick can train and stay pretty injury free. Fernandez not so much.
music is happiness wrote:
An easier debate is Fernandez v. Derrick. Fernandez is clearly more talented, but Derrick can train and stay pretty injury free. Fernandez not so much.
Wrong. Derrick is clearly more talented, even before you consider the injury issue. Every in season race, highschool or college, has resuled in a victory for Derrick.