More 400m speed than Coe or Kip (45.5 non relay). I'd be more surprised if he doesn't break it given his latest race. I hope he gets it.
More 400m speed than Coe or Kip (45.5 non relay). I'd be more surprised if he doesn't break it given his latest race. I hope he gets it.
Man Robbie Andrews is improving dramatically!
What a race second place not even close. He is a beast. The 5000 looking to be good and how about aj acosta running 3 36 to get third. This meet looking alot better than the diamond league meet this weekend. 1 41.51 sweet.
kanny wrote:
More 400m speed than Coe or Kip (45.5 non relay). I'd be more surprised if he doesn't break it given his latest race. I hope he gets it.
Possibly, though both Coe 81 and Kip 97 were capable of low 45's, the same as Rudisha ran in OZ. Kip ran a 45.4 relay led in the European Cup a week before his 1:41.73 record equalling run. Coe ran a 45.5 relay a week before his WR at the beginning of June. I have this run on dvd, and it was worth the same as a standing start, as when he took the baton he kicked himself, stopped and started again from a stationary start as he reached the start/finish line.
You have to remember that a WR is a moving target. Coe wanted to beat the current record (1:42.3) and did, Kip wanted to break Coe's record and did. Rudisha is an 800 specialist and has one goal only in mind, breaking Kip's WR. He hasn't got there yet, and to be honest I'd be more surprised if he did get it, because his speed, if better than Coe & Kip's, is only intrinsically so, whereas his endurance seems no better than Kip's and certainly not as good as Coe's.
Both Coe and Kip were capable of faster than their pbs. I haven't seen Rudisha's race yet and don't know what the splits or pacing was like, so can't really quantify how much faster he can go.
Free WeedUsers wrote:
Man Robbie Andrews is improving dramatically!
+1
rudy's mid-45 was early season & now i'd expect him to be near 45-flat which is certainly quicker than any qualified race of coe's & obviously has more than countered the endurance deficit as he's just run faster than him
i doubt rudy is quicker over 400 than kip who musta also had at least 45.0 abilty to hang on for 1'41.2 off 48.3
Great form and focus
Simply mouth dropping...
First person under 142 since 1997.
800 Metres All Time
1:41.11 Wilson Kipketer (DEN) - Köln, 24/08/1997
Updated as at:09/07/2010 Mark Athlete Nation DOB Pos Venue Date
1:41.11 Wilson Kipketer DEN 12/12/1972 1 Köln 24/08/1997
1:41.24 Wilson Kipketer 1r1 Zürich 13/08/1997
1:41.73 Sebastian Coe GBR 29/09/1956 1 Firenze 10/06/1981
1:41.73 Wilson Kipketer 1 Stockholm 07/07/1997
1:41.77 Joaquim Cruz BRA 12/03/1963 1 Köln 26/08/1984
1:41.83 Wilson Kipketer 1 Rieti 01/09/1996
1:42.01 David Lekuta Rudisha KEN 17/12/1988 1r1 Rieti 06/09/2009
1:42.04 David Lekuta Rudisha 1 Oslo (Bislett) 04/06/2010
1:42.17 Wilson Kipketer 1 Tokyo 16/09/1996
1:42.20 Wilson Kipketer 1 Bruxelles 22/08/1997
1:42.23 Abubaker Kaki SUD 21/06/1989 2 Oslo (Bislett) 04/06/2010
1:42.27 Wilson Kipketer 1 Bruxelles 03/09/1999
1:42.28 Sammy Koskei KEN 14/05/1961 2 Köln 26/08/1984
ventolin^3 wrote:
rudy's mid-45 was early season & now i'd expect him to be near 45-flat which is certainly quicker than any qualified race of coe's & obviously has more than countered the endurance deficit as he's just run faster than him
i doubt rudy is quicker over 400 than kip who musta also had at least 45.0 abilty to hang on for 1'41.2 off 48.3
Lol!
So both Coe and Kip run almost identical 400 relay splits at same time of season, but you say Kip's 400 ability improves throughout the rest of season to bring him to 45 flat, but Coe doesn't get any faster! Well you are Kenyan, so I'd expect you to think like that.
This is at least Rudisha's 3rd attempt at the record this year. It's now July 10th. He's improved by 0.5 since early June. He might yet get quicker as the biggest meets are in August. Kip took to early July to = Coe's mark, then got faster by 0.6 by the end of August.
Coe had 1 attempt in early June, got it and then looked to other records to break. Had he had a couple more attempts later in the season, and drafting to 500m as Rudisha had today, then he'd have likely been 0.5 sec faster too.
Factually, Rudisha has got faster over the past month, and you are happy to concede that another athlete (a Kenyan, like yourself) must have got faster over the season, but the other athlete couldn't possibly. The fact that Coe didn't attempt to keep bettering his own record does not exclude the fact he was faster and in better shape in August.
If Rudisha goes out and runs a sub 3:30 1500 this year or breaks the 1k WR, then I'll re-think his endurance capability.
Annoyingly the video on Youtube doesn't show the race from a side angle at 200 and 600m.
Certainly the first 200 didn't look as fast as some of his other efforts. If the 1:14.5 split for 600 given by someone on this thread is official, then it looks like his 200 split was about 24.4.
After that it looks like 49.7 for 400m.
So, a good estimate of the splits would be: - 24.4, 49.7, 1:14.5(?) and 1:41.5
Or 24.4, 25.3, 24.8 and 27.0. Pretty even splits for the first 600m.
I think the help from the second pacemaker in drafting him fro 400 -500m and then running aside him for the next 50m probably helped a bit.
Great run!
I just saw the race live at Heusden. 49.17 for the pacers but there was a small gap so 49.5 probably
From 500 to 700 was really incredible!
nonsense
you claim kip had a 45.5 leg prior to 1'41.73
he ended up running 1'41.1 that year & therefore his 400m speed musta improved between his 2 800 runs as you don't do 100 miles/week training in summer, just speed work & hope to maintain as much of the winter's endurance, but you will lose some
& as you can't read : you can't hold onto a 1'41.2 off a 48.3 unless either you have fantastic endurance, <<3'30 or your 400 ability is so much faster than 48.3 that the aerobic debt hasn't killed you - as everyone knows he didn't have <<3'30 potential/ability at the time, his 400 ability at the time musta been spectacular
as for rudy's goes at it this year, this is his 1st "proper" attempt at the wr this year - his oslo run was a match-race against kaki & poorly wabbited, but immaterial, the win was the main goal as kaki had a superior head-to-head & people were still touting him as the "man" - the goal was the win & to shut up the kaki fans
this race was poorly scheduled in rudy's plans - you don't race 2/7 after a low-1'43 & expect optimal performance with that fatigue still in your legs - you have a minimum 1/52 rest & then attempt it - i'd have even preferred nearer 2/52 - it also goes without saying, another poorly wabbited race, with them speeding out to far ahead, offering no drafting advantage - an effective solo 1'41.5
i do not expect rudy to run faster this year unless his schedule has a 1/52+ break before his next attempt & he doesn't need kaki in it as it degenerates into a "race", whereas the wr is now paramount - therefore i do not go by the usual moronic "he must be faster in late july/august/spetember" argument - imo he was as fast in oslo as he was today, if he'd had same set up in oslo & no kaki
as for coe in '81, i don't buy the moronic "he must be faster in late july/august/spetember" - that was his day of days, with perfect wabbit, coe closely tucked in & of course the dodgy timing/unknown track, & same as i don't expect rudy to improve this year i had no belief coe wouda done in '81
as for rudy's endurance capabilities, what nonsense are you drivelling on about ???
he's just run 3rd fastest 800 time ever, i coudn't give a f*** if he never runs a 1k or 1500 in his life
I was there tonight watching the Heusden meet. Yes the 800 was very good. I was standing right by the track at about the 200 meter point, and you could tell that Rudisha was up to something special when he passed 200 very smoothly at about 24.5 seconds and he was just being pulled around the track by his pacemakers who left at 400 and 600.
He has an ENORMOUS stride, not a fast turnover but he looks likes he is leaping around the track. He doesn't look as efficient as Coe or Kipketer.
Yes this really puts Heusden on the same level as Zurich, Oslo or Brussels. The "stadium" itself is much smaller than even Reno High School's football stadium.
I'll bet anyone 50 bucks that he gets the record this year, possibly sub 1:41.
Jason
Stating the obvious wrote:
The Ghost of Harry Murphy wrote:The guy is going to be the first under 1:41!
Don't go too far out on a limb. ;-)
You mean this has been considered by others?
Dasm!
now imbecile, kindly f*** off as you have nothing of interest to me
ventolin^3 wrote:
now imbecile, kindly f*** off as you have nothing of interest to me
Translation: "I've lost an argument. I'm going home now with my petite tail between my legs..."
no
moron
translation is
"imbecile, f*** off as you have nothing of interest to me"
or can't even a retarded vipam read & comprehend such ???
Yes, that is your retort when you've been shown to be the moron you are. "You have nothing of interest," is your empty-headed response, "as anything that utterly and completely REFUTES my illogical and distorted 'thought' patterns is too threatening to be interesting, thus I run away with trepidation and fear that I may be wrong." You are a sad old man...
MAPIV wrote:
Ventolin, you must truly be mentally retarded. How can you possibly refer to this race as "an effective solo 1:41.5?" You are the dumbest poster on this board if you believe this. Rudisha doesn't need your deception to validate his greatness. Rudisha had plenty of help in this race as far as the rabbits. Ideal? No, but to say it was solo to serve your argument indicates you sacrifice credibility for persuasion efforts, and it fools only fools...
moron
drafting is a tool based on physics
the purpose of wabbit is to act as a "windbreaker", staying no more than 2m ahead, cutting thru the air & offering the elite an effective aiding wind of upto 1s/lap at 8m/s or 0.5s assistance for 200 - 400m section in a 800m
rudy got none of this, therefore a solo run