Strongly disagree. Holy Cross looked way better than Colgate this weekend at ND on a course that isn't that fast. I think they should just focus on trying to beat Lafayette if they can muster that. (Lafayette isn't racing much but they looked pretty good at their season opener) P.S. The Patriot League Champs were in 4 inches of water and a foot of mud last year. You cannot compare the two times.
I dont see how you think that. Here are both teams top 5s. There is no way that the UMass course is slower than Colgates course.Holy Cross26:1226:3726:4727:2327:53Colgate25:3825:5926:5426:5627:46You cant say Holy Cross looked "way" better.
pollvaulting wrote:
Strongly disagree. Holy Cross looked way better than Colgate this weekend at ND on a course that isn't that fast. I think they should just focus on trying to beat Lafayette if they can muster that. (Lafayette isn't racing much but they looked pretty good at their season opener) P.S. The Patriot League Champs were in 4 inches of water and a foot of mud last year. You cannot compare the two times.
Look at where Sheridan and Johnson were in relation to the Syracuse guys....very close. Pretty sure that was the Orange's A-team too. Now with a spread like that the 'Cuse guys probably weren't going all out, but I still think that if Sheridan and Johnson were right in there with a top-20 team that bodes well for the rest of the season.
that was holy cross' B team at umass...the top 7 ran at notre dame. sheridan and johnson ran well. after that though, theres not much.
neither hc nor colgate are that good
Not so fast my friend wrote:
I dont see how you think that. Here are both teams top 5s. There is no way that the UMass course is slower than Colgates course.
Holy Cross
26:12
26:37
26:47
27:23
27:53
Colgate
25:38
25:59
26:54
26:56
27:46
You cant say Holy Cross looked "way" better.
Where are you getting those HC times? At ND this weekend their top 5 went:
25:41
26:27
26:28
26:38
27:13
and the top guy on their B team went 26:42 at UMASS-Lowell. So put him on the A team and they average 26:23 rather than 26:58 from the times you posted. Of course this is XC so comparing times are meaningless, but I think we should at least be accurate with the times we cite.
After looking at the weekend results it seems pretty clear Navy is out there followed by American. After those two teams it looks like it could be close between Lehigh, Army, and Bucknell with all three teams having good tight packs. Holy Cross then seems to have an edge over Colgate and Lafayette didn't race but they have not showed much. It will be interesting to see how teams do head to head as it looks like most teams will be competing at the Paul Short Run.
Alright knuckleheads...
Navy 21
American 39
Army 87
Lehigh 113
Bucknell 142
Holy $#*& 196
Lafayette 197
Colgate whitening 199
lehigh trounces lafayette. lehigh's win was pretty convincing. any idea how those times are/howd they hold up at PLC's? (since its on the same course)
Navy is looking fast. Cody Rome may have had an off day but everyone else looked pretty good. Hanko is going to run in the 23:20's at Paul Short. I think this team has a real shot at making nationals this year, hopefully they represent the Patriot League well.
lehighs top guys didnt even push it for the lafayette dual meet, kosgei won in 26:40
lehigh will win patriots or get pretty damn close
Is this a joke? I dont get it.
Why didn't Hanko run this past weekend?
He got 9th
clearly the Navy men are gonna run away with this thing. Not only do they have a respectable shot at qualifying (wins over several quality teams... Iowa State, Louisville, Penn State-twice, etc.) but I think Hanko has a legitimate shot at making All-American. He's clearly begun to assert himself as one of the best runners on the East Coast. He took down quality runners from Louisville, PSU, Princeton and NCST and was right in the hunt with Bo Waggoner (Duke) and Ryan Hill (NCST) both of whom are established XC Runners on the National level. Look for a big year from Hanko, this kid is the real deal.
I know the American guys and the Kosgei fanboys arent going to like this, but I think Navy has a legit shot at going 1-5 at Patriots. Hopefully they dont over-race and make it to the Big Dance.
On the girls side, is any team worth mentioning? Individually, Deroo looks like an All-American contender from what we've seen early this season. We'll know more after this weekend.
If Navy 4 and 5 have solid runs at regionals it might be interesting
That last 2k will be great so I hope those guys can handle that distance
Hanko's range now is pretty good.
4:01ish at Penn relays and low 14's
Maybe he should try the 10k??
Look for him to get put hard at Paul Short
This race is loaded just look at the teams:
Princeton
Navy
Liberty
Gtown
Kosgei ran what 26:40 last weekend? Looks to me like that would be lucky to make Navy's team this year. Conversation here should shift to who is the 2nd best team. How is Army? I don't see them in their regional rankings, which is suprising, they usually are at least ranked.
I wouldn't take much stock in Lehigh guy's times from the dual meet. It was a practice for the Lehigh guys, and when the dual meet is so lopsided, like it has been the last 12 years, the strategy is to have groups running together. Paul Short will be a much better gauge of how good they are.
Plus, Lafayette's course is noticeably slower than Lehigh's.