solinsky just sat there and let rupp do all the work...

Solinsky wanted to win the race. Not run a fast time. Win the race Solinsky won the race.

Rupp was fourth.

Case closed.

haha, YO (super serial) wrote:

I first off never knew we had so many Rupp fans on this board, I thought he was hated. Second, I never thought one of the most shocking and impressive runs by an American would be so overshadowed by all this bullshit.

You obviously did not see this board last year when Rupp pulled off the greatest collegiate distance triple in history and was ripped apart for not leading the mile on the DMR or the 5K despite the fact that it was a championship, he was the only in any of the races tripling and he had the team title on his shoulders. Keep in mind he was up against a 3:35 1500 guy on the DMR who pulled the same move on Rupp earlier that season and a 13:19 guy in the 5K.

I don't think it's so much that there are a lot of "Rupp Fans". I think like me there are a lot of fans of U.S. distance running which includes Rupp. What I also think is there are a few rabbid Rupp haters that are so vile it's impossible not to defend the guy a bit which makes it seem like there are a lot of "Rupp Fans". That's simply because no matter what he does in the eyes of the haters it is wrong. It's usually completely hypocritical and in most cases irrational.

Solinsky himself expected to take a lot of crap for his racing tactics, because he's seen Rupp take it for doing it at Championship meets. But what happens? Solinsky is only praised. Quite the contradiction by the Rupp haters and now they'll claim it's pay back as if Rupp was the first one in history to not lead a championship race in order to win it.

I guess it's because the Rupp haters have to sink to new lows everytime he reaches a new height. They want him to fail so badly they spin his achievements off as failures. They are miserable beings.

Now there are haters. Don't get me wrong. However, I just think a lot of people find Rupp tough to route for. People want to see a guy just go out and run a race as hard as he can and act like a man when he does it. For some reason Rupp gives off this weird vibe. For instance, my wife does not follow track but the first time she saw Rupp on tv she asked me "whats wrong with that guy". All he was doing was sitting there before a race and she thought he was weird. It is as simple as that. He is like the weird kid in school that everyone wants to pick on because he is weird. Even though the weird kid could be incredibly talent at something he is still seen as weird to people. I don't hate him but I would rather see guys I don't find weird succeed. Its as simple as that.

You make it sound like A) Rupp led the wholerace, and B) solinsky waited until the last 100m.

Solinksy pushed the pace in the last 900m and gave Rupp a shot to break 27 minutes also. Rupp just didn't have it, and cracked, probably mentally, from the realization that wow he was about to lose.

Rupp led for 2600m, for a grand total of 6.5 laps and only 4.25 more than Solinksy. That's not much for a 25 lap race. I'd feel different if it wasn't a rabbited race and no one else helped him break the record. But that wasn't the case and he was the one going for record, not anyone else.

Rupp's never been able to kick when it counts and he's actually evenly matched. We see that in every big international race and we saw it on Saturday.

Fact of the matter is that we have YET to see Rupp win when he is evenly matched. He lost the close NCAAA XC race to McDougal, he lost a handful of championship races as an underclassman, and he lost to Solinksy.

He's talented, he's persistent, he seems really nice and humble enough, likely works hard, but he's yet to prove he has guts.

Wow, you really don't get it. You have obviously never been remotely near the circumstance that Rupp was in Saturday.

Nobody leads the last lap or 800 when they are going all out, they are simply kicking. Please tell me you understand this.

Is this board largely made up of high school JV types?

Furthermore, WHERE Rupp led is where nobody wants to. Not in any 10K but in any fast 10K. Do you honestly not know why?

Lastly, just stop with the Solinsky helped him run faster. That is the opposite of helping someone run faster. What solinsky did is what makes the leaders fall apart at the end, and that is what Rupp did.

My dear god there are some inexperienced fools who post on here.

[quote]heyyo wrote:

Fact of the matter is that we have YET to see Rupp win when he is evenly matched. He lost the close NCAAA XC race to McDougal, he lost a handful of championship races as an underclassman, and he lost to Solinksy.

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So Sam Chelanga is not a worthy opponent? Rupp 4/5 on Sam including cross country, 5K, 10K.

And before you start with the idiot post I know you're about to, Galen beat Sam the entire way when they went 13:18 & 13:19 indoors.

The Stache wrote:Everyone and their brother knew he was going to push the pace

My brother actually did not know this. Maybe he's the exception.

when galen an olympian raced sam a sophomore in 2008 before he became the runner he is now. That was still very early in Sam's career. He was fast but still not on the same level as Galen.

I've seen this concept on letsrun a number of times before that the guy who leads a race is "doing all the work." Can someone explain this to me? If Rupp runs in front of me, will I be able to snap off 64 second laps effortlessly? I mean, he'd be doing all the work, so I should be able to throw down a solid 5 minute 10K PR without breaking a sweat.

heyyo wrote:

when galen an olympian raced sam a sophomore in 2008 before he became the runner he is now. That was still very early in Sam's career. He was fast but still not on the same level as Galen.

He had a 13:25 to Galens 13:30 going into that race. Kenyan age is not a factor, most of the best run their best closer to 20 than 30 if their ages are accurate.

hyper45 wrote:

I don't hate him but I would rather see guys I don't find weird succeed. Its as simple as that.

So it's really an issue with the fact that you don't find him attractive enough?

At least you are honest.

Bear of Bad News wrote:

I've seen this concept on letsrun a number of times before that the guy who leads a race is "doing all the work." Can someone explain this to me? If Rupp runs in front of me, will I be able to snap off 64 second laps effortlessly? I mean, he'd be doing all the work, so I should be able to throw down a solid 5 minute 10K PR without breaking a sweat.

It's an overstatement for sure, but you certainly won't have to do the work the leader does if you both are equally fit. Part of it is physically leading which is magnified if there is any wind, but still there if not since just by running at 64 or 65 pace you are breaking air. Perhaps more of a factor is the thinking involved in leading at near redline pace. If you are trying to stay on a particular pace (such as saturday) there is an added burden. In fact even if you're not leading but too concerned about hitting a time you can waste a lot of energy. In this case solinsky was not chasing times but I think in a lot of his 5K's he has, which is why his best 5K is only 13:12 and he has more around 13:20.

Outside of a very select few most of the top runners in the world will run their fastest when they did not have to lead because they didn't have to think much and that's exactly the kind of term they'll use to describe it. That or "turned their brain off" etc.

Like I said except for Komen, Bekele or Geb who were so damn good that they often couldn't get help outside of a rabbit for a portion of the race sitting on a train has always been the most energy effecient way to run and therefor run your best times. I thought they tought this stuff at the high school level?

I am a Rupp fan, and if I were Solinsky, running my first 10k, I would have done exactly the same thing.

The real message of this race is that more guys were ready to run close to 27. flat, but that few races exist where the pace is set and gone after like that.

It was a reasonable thought by Salazar to think that if Rupp hit that pace, Rupp would run away from the others, simply because that pace has never been run on US soil before, and is very rarely approached in 10k races.

Rupp doesn't care if the world knows he is going after a record. Rupp doesn't choke. The person who posted about Rupp's consistency over time is dead on. Rupp domestically always runs near the top. Overseas, he always runs close to his best ability at the time.

The kid is fearless, he actually enjoys running and racing and going after it.

The kind of athletic courage it takes to continually put yourself through that kind of pain for long durations...

Well let's just say I think none of his detractors on this board have that kind of courage.

MEMBER NCAA XC WITH SAMMY?

This race was Solinsky's debut. He had no idea what he was going to end up running in that race. Solinsky had to have been thinking that he was going to hold on to that pack as long as he could, and then see what happened. Taking the lead from Rupp any earlier than he did would've been terrible strategy.

Galen Rupp was running a record attempt. He brought the rabbits, he knew that he'd have to work to run under 27:13, and when the rabbits fell off he was willing to take the lead, as he should have. Everyone else in the race knew this too, and planned accordingly.

Between the fact that Rupp was clearly going to run fast, and that Solinsky was just holding on for the first 23 laps to see what he could run, it is stupid for anyone on here to suggest that Solinsky was obligated to help Rupp at his record attempt.

The bottom line is that Solinsky ran a hell of a race, surpassing anyone's expectations for him. Now that he's established himself in the 10k, people can expect him to help with the lead, but this wasn't the case on Saturday night, so get off of Solinsky's case for running the race of his life, and Rupp haters, get off of his case for being a world class runner who showed up to run under 27:13, and did just that.

If Rupp did all of the work why didn't everyone in the field run under 27 ahead of Rupp?

I have run a few races in my time and found that it was work to keep up with a fast pace. But maybe I am wrong.

Maybe if you run behind someone it is like riding a skateboard and holding on to the back of a truck.

What a crock of shit. Rupp didn't lead at all until 18 minutes into the race. Didn't ANY of you actually watch the tape?

And to put it bluntly, in a race between a 3:39 guy and a 3:35 guy, don't bet on the 3:39 guy. Rupp simply doesn't have the wheels to contend for a medal, and in a year or two might not even make the US team (Solinsky, Chelanga, Ritz). Solinsky can sit on Rupp any time he wants to, just like Andrews can with Wheating.

Typical Oregon whine.

This board is full of 'tards. Rupp did not advertise this run for a month, in fact, it wasn't even determined that he might go for a record until the end of his New Mexico training, just a week ago. Then, Al Sal indicated that Rupp was in good enough shape to attempt a record attempt, perhaps at Oregon or perhaps at Stanford. It wasn't even decided that he would run until Thursday, and even then it was left open to cancel if the weather was no good at either Oregon or Stanford. No...it is the 'tards on this board who know very little about running, yet invent stories.

4:25_9:45_15:39 wrote:

The Stache wrote:

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Welcome to Saturday night, 10 pm Pacific time, when Chris told assembled reporters "I know I'm going to take a lot of heat for sitting back and letting Galen do all the work. ... This would not have been possible without Galen and his pacers."

i saw the interview and that just made me even angrier. he hadnt been across the line for more than a minute and he was already aware that he just sat on galen rupp for 25 minutes and then burned him.

as for the kick, yea i think rupp could have matched a 1:55 close after sitting on someone for that long. whats his 800m pr? 1:47? he must have still closed in 2:05. thats fast.

Of course he was aware that he sat on Rupp, but he led when it counted. It's not like he was going to just sit there until the last 2 meters and then take an extra step and nag the win. He fought for that win by racing smart (which isn't necessarily sit and kick in the last 200). Racing smart is whatever works best for you to get a fast time, regardless of what the other guy runs. Chris knew he needed to go in that last 900 meters, and that got him an impressive performance. Besides, it's not like sitting on Rupp is going to eliminate the last 23 laps of running. Chris had to work hard just to stay up there with the leaders, and THEN pull off a major kick. It shows that he is tremendously strong and able to handle a fast kick.

Also, can you not just appreciate a sub-27 for what it is? Jeez, what does a guy need to do to run a "good" sub-27 in your eyes? Rupp was sitting on the leaders for 20 laps, so how is that any different than what Chris did, except for a few extra laps of Rupp leading. What effing difference does it make? EVERYONE in that lead pack was running AR pace until the last 2 laps, it's not like it was a slow, tactical race where Solinsky sat on him. The whole pack was working to run that pace, so it's not like being behind someone was really going to save them THAT much. Simply running behind someone will not turn a closing 2:05 into a 1:55. If you believe that, you are really gullible and probably very stupid.