Les wrote:
Does anybody know from performance tables which is the better performance? 12:56 or 26:59?
From the 2008 scoring tables it is 1228-1227 points for 26:59 and 1224-1223 for Ritz' 12:56. This may be different for the current edition.
That being said, I would definitely say that Solinsky's performance was much more shocking given he wasn't nearly as well known as a talented runner as much as Ritz.
Les wrote:
Does anybody know from performance tables which is the better performance? 12:56 or 26:59?
Solinsky's is 29th all-time.
Ritz's puts him at 44th.
Solinsky is da man.
No you're ignorant. Are you a mod, being offensive and deleting posts you don't like? I'll keep and eye on this thread to see if you err and expose yourself.
It is much better to say you have someone from your country run a top ten time than a time that is not even in the top 60 for 10k, or not close to top 100 for 5k.
And you are claiming to be from Kenya or Ethiopia then?
Terminator X wrote:
If someone told me Ritz would, at some point in his career, run a 12:56, I would seriously consider it as a possibility. If someone would have told me Solinsky would run a sub-27 at any point in his career I'd have laughed in their face. Amazing run.
Yet, Solinsky's high school career was not that far behind Ritz's. The differences were magnified, but in hs only events, Solinsky was ahead 3 seconds in the 1600m and behind by 2 seconds in the 3200m. What happened was that despite a great college career, Solinsky had not developed quite as much as Teg after college, and so he was under the radar.
unrealness wrote:
Solinsky's is 29th all-time.
Ritz's puts him at 44th.
Solinsky is da man.
Where do you find the all time lists without repeats?
American, born in San Diego. Why do you assume some place different?
What I don't get when people like you make this argument, is that it ignores the fact that distance running has been dominated for some time now, almost exclusively by people from east Africa. Why is it so bad for us to measure the improvements of our best athletes against the best in the world? It doesn't constitute settling, we're merely recognizing that our guys are closer this year than the year before. We can't have our best guys only going 13:10 one day and hope for them to be under 12:40 the next. Why is it so bad to cheer them on as they improve and raise the bar?
I'd say that Ritz's race shocked me the most, so close to the world championships, and really out of the blue. There was so much Rupp hype before this race and we knew that if the AR went down, it would have to go down pretty close to the 27 flat mark.
mj wrote:
Ignorant statment because:
1) 3 guys EVER have run under 12:46 - Bekele, Geb, and Komon.
and
2) 3 guys EVER have run under 26:30 - Bekele, Geb, and Tergat.
i think the first time 27:00 mins was broke was in 1993ish so we are 15ish year behind the keyans. But i was standing and cheering what a great race!!!
Can't a fella just run fast...without all the cultural and racial bull%&*#! When people train right and mix it up a little bit, i bet you'd be amazed at how fast Americans can run (long slow distance kills).
Tough to say. The 12:56 was out of the blue. The 26:59 had been discussed. But I was shocked it was Solinsky. I'd say the 10k performance shocked me more because it was his DEBUT! But the 5k was more exciting because he was closing on Bekele!
1. 26:17.53 Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) Brussels August 26, 2005
2. 26:22.75 Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) Hengelo June 1 1998
3. 26:27.85 Paul Tergat (KEN) Brussels August 22, 1997
4. 26:30.03 Nicholas Kemboi (KEN) Brussels September 5 2003
5. 26:30.74 Abebe Dinkesa Negera (ETH) Hengelo May 29, 2005
6. 26:35.63 Micah Kogo (KEN) Brussels August 25, 2006
7. 26:36.26 Paul Koech (KEN) Brussels August 22, 1997
8. 26:37.25 Zersenay Tadese (ERI) Brussels August 25, 2006
9. 26:38.08 Salah Hissou (MAR) Brussels August 23, 1996
10. 26:38.76 Abdullah Ahmad Hassan (QAT) Brussels September 5 2003
11. 26:39.69 Sileshi Sihine (ETH) Hengelo May 31, 2004
12. 26:39.77 Boniface Kiprop Toroitich (UGA)BrusselsAugust 26, 2005
13. 26:41.75 Samuel Wanjiru (KEN) Brussels August 26, 2005
14. 26:49.02 Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) Hengelo May 26, 2007
15. 26:49.20 Moses Ndiema Masai (KEN)Brussels September 14, 2007
16. 26:49.38 Sammy Kipketer (KEN)Brussels August 30, 2002
17. 26:49.55 Moses Mosop (KEN) Hengelo May 26, 2007
18. 26:49.90 Assefa Mezgebu (ETH) Brussels August 30, 2002
19. 26:50.20 Richard Limo (KEN) Brussels August 30, 2002
20. 26:50.67 Albert Chepkurui (KEN) Brussels August 30, 2002
21. 26:51.49 Charles Kamathi (KEN) Brussels September 3 1999
22. 26:52.23 William Sigei (KEN) Oslo July 22, 1994
23. 26:52.30 Mohammed Mourhit (BEL) Brussels September 3 1999
24. 26:52.33 Gebre-egziabher Gebremariam (ETH)Hengelo May 26, 2007
25. 26:52.87 John Cheruiyot Korir (KEN) Brussels August 30, 2002
26. 26:52.93 Mark Bett Kipkinyor KEN 22/12/1976 6 Bruxelles 26/08/2005
27. 26:57.08 Leonard Patrick Komon KEN 10/01/1988 4 Hengelo 24/05/2008
28. 26:57.27 Sileshi Sihine 1 Praha 27/06/2005
26:57.36
29. Josphat Muchiri Ndambiri KEN 12/02/1985 1 Fukuroi 03/05/2009
30. 26:57.39 Moses Ndiema Masai 3 Berlin 17/08/2009
26:58.38 Yobes Ondieki KEN 21/02/1961 1 Oslo 10/07/1993
31. 26:58.42 Micah Kipkemboi Kogo 3 Bruxelles 14/09/2007
32. 26:59.60 Chris Solinsky USA 05/12/1984 1r1 Palo Alto, CA 01/05/2010
1. 26:17.53 Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) Brussels August 26, 2005
2. 26:22.75 Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) Hengelo June 1 1998
3. 26:27.85 Paul Tergat (KEN) Brussels August 22, 1997
4. 26:30.03 Nicholas Kemboi (KEN) Brussels September 5 2003
5. 26:30.74 Abebe Dinkesa Negera (ETH) Hengelo May 29, 2005
6. 26:35.63 Micah Kogo (KEN) Brussels August 25, 2006
7. 26:36.26 Paul Koech (KEN) Brussels August 22, 1997
8. 26:37.25 Zersenay Tadese (ERI) Brussels August 25, 2006
9. 26:38.08 Salah Hissou (MAR) Brussels August 23, 1996
10. 26:38.76 Abdullah Ahmad Hassan (QAT) Brussels September 5 2003
11. 26:39.69 Sileshi Sihine (ETH) Hengelo May 31, 2004
12. 26:39.77 Boniface Kiprop Toroitich (UGA)BrusselsAugust 26, 2005
13. 26:41.75 Samuel Wanjiru (KEN) Brussels August 26, 2005
14. 26:49.02 Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) Hengelo May 26, 2007
15. 26:49.20 Moses Ndiema Masai (KEN)Brussels September 14, 2007
16. 26:49.38 Sammy Kipketer (KEN)Brussels August 30, 2002
17. 26:49.55 Moses Mosop (KEN) Hengelo May 26, 2007
18. 26:49.90 Assefa Mezgebu (ETH) Brussels August 30, 2002
19. 26:50.20 Richard Limo (KEN) Brussels August 30, 2002
20. 26:50.67 Albert Chepkurui (KEN) Brussels August 30, 2002
21. 26:51.49 Charles Kamathi (KEN) Brussels September 3 1999
22. 26:52.23 William Sigei (KEN) Oslo July 22, 1994
23. 26:52.30 Mohammed Mourhit (BEL) Brussels September 3 1999
24. 26:52.33 Gebre-egziabher Gebremariam (ETH)Hengelo May 26, 2007
25. 26:52.87 John Cheruiyot Korir (KEN) Brussels August 30, 2002
26. 26:52.93 Mark Bett Kipkinyor KEN 22/12/1976 6 Bruxelles 26/08/2005
27. 26:57.08 Leonard Patrick Komon KEN 10/01/1988 4 Hengelo 24/05/2008
28. 26:57.27 Sileshi Sihine 1 Praha 27/06/2005
26:57.36
29. Josphat Muchiri Ndambiri KEN 12/02/1985 1 Fukuroi 03/05/2009
30. 26:57.39 Moses Ndiema Masai 3 Berlin 17/08/2009
26:58.38 Yobes Ondieki KEN 21/02/1961 1 Oslo 10/07/1993
31. 26:58.42 Micah Kipkemboi Kogo 3 Bruxelles 14/09/2007
32. 26:59.60 Chris Solinsky USA 05/12/1984 1r1 Palo Alto, CA 01/05/2010
1. 26:17.53 Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) Brussels August 26, 2005
2. 26:22.75 Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) Hengelo June 1 1998
3. 26:27.85 Paul Tergat (KEN) Brussels August 22, 1997
4. 26:30.03 Nicholas Kemboi (KEN) Brussels September 5 2003
5. 26:30.74 Abebe Dinkesa Negera (ETH) Hengelo May 29, 2005
6. 26:35.63 Micah Kogo (KEN) Brussels August 25, 2006
7. 26:36.26 Paul Koech (KEN) Brussels August 22, 1997
8. 26:37.25 Zersenay Tadese (ERI) Brussels August 25, 2006
9. 26:38.08 Salah Hissou (MAR) Brussels August 23, 1996
10. 26:38.76 Abdullah Ahmad Hassan (QAT) Brussels September 5 2003
11. 26:39.69 Sileshi Sihine (ETH) Hengelo May 31, 2004
12. 26:39.77 Boniface Kiprop Toroitich (UGA)BrusselsAugust 26, 2005
13. 26:41.75 Samuel Wanjiru (KEN) Brussels August 26, 2005
14. 26:49.02 Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) Hengelo May 26, 2007
15. 26:49.20 Moses Ndiema Masai (KEN)Brussels September 14, 2007
16. 26:49.38 Sammy Kipketer (KEN)Brussels August 30, 2002
17. 26:49.55 Moses Mosop (KEN) Hengelo May 26, 2007
18. 26:49.90 Assefa Mezgebu (ETH) Brussels August 30, 2002
19. 26:50.20 Richard Limo (KEN) Brussels August 30, 2002
20. 26:50.67 Albert Chepkurui (KEN) Brussels August 30, 2002
21. 26:51.49 Charles Kamathi (KEN) Brussels September 3 1999
22. 26:52.23 William Sigei (KEN) Oslo July 22, 1994
23. 26:52.30 Mohammed Mourhit (BEL) Brussels September 3 1999
24. 26:52.33 Gebre-egziabher Gebremariam (ETH)Hengelo May 26, 2007
25. 26:52.87 John Cheruiyot Korir (KEN) Brussels August 30, 2002
26. 26:52.93 Mark Bett Kipkinyor KEN 22/12/1976 6 Bruxelles 26/08/2005
27. 26:57.08 Leonard Patrick Komon KEN 10/01/1988 4 Hengelo 24/05/2008
28. 26:57.27 Sileshi Sihine 1 Praha 27/06/2005
26:57.36
29. Josphat Muchiri Ndambiri KEN 12/02/1985 1 Fukuroi 03/05/2009
30. 26:57.39 Moses Ndiema Masai 3 Berlin 17/08/2009
26:58.38 Yobes Ondieki KEN 21/02/1961 1 Oslo 10/07/1993
31. 26:58.42 Micah Kipkemboi Kogo 3 Bruxelles 14/09/2007
32. 26:59.60 Chris Solinsky USA 05/12/1984 1r1 Palo Alto, CA 01/05/2010
good god, the biggest theme i saw was Brussels. someone get the americans to belgium.
Good catch. I was thinking about his pro career, but the 3:53 puts him in the first category ("Breakthrough" runners)
ghkhj;kjk;l wrote:
inclined towards leniency wrote:I would put it with Hall running sub-60 by himself first time out.
Hall, Ritz and Solinsky now each have their "definitive" race... Webb, Teg and Rupp are more incremental in their careers, for better or for worse.
Webb's high school mile record isn't what you would have called "definitive"?
Yes, but the 5000 is raced at least three times as often as the 10000. They are very equivalent performances, on time alone (i.e. % behind the WR).
unrealness wrote:
Les wrote:Does anybody know from performance tables which is the better performance? 12:56 or 26:59?
Solinsky's is 29th all-time.
Ritz's puts him at 44th.
Solinsky is da man.
inclined towards leniency wrote:Hall, Ritz and Solinsky now each have their "definitive" race... Webb, Teg and Rupp are more incremental in their careers, for better or for worse.
Seriously? Webb has two definitive races, each for records in the mile; and Teg's definitive race was his 10k debut... I mean his sub-13:00.
12:45 & 26:30 wrote:
A few American need to run sub 12:45 and 26:30 before they can be considered on a par with the rest of world. It doesn't matter whether they are "classified" as White, Black, Asian, Hispanic or as an Immigrant. There's a long way to go.
Nobody in the rest of the world has ran faster or a few seconds off those times in a while. How many guys have broken 12:50 albeit in the 5k...how bout NEW guys besides Bekele? 26:30 hasn't really been touched either but by maybe one person. So what "rest of the world" concept are you coming up with here?
Solinsky by far, because no one thought he was supposed to run fast in that race, whereas we knew Ritz was in good shape