The Official "Solinsky: Admit you were shocked" thread

Two very impressive things about Solinsky -- his finish bodes well for racing 10,000s because he can kick and if you do not run a very fast pace [26:40 or faster?] you will not drop him. Given this was a debut and an early season race, well..... This gives him more options than Rupp has, although Rupp has improved his finish more than I thought we would.

Rupp has more years for maturing than Solinsky, so some nice upside there. He did as well here as I thought and he was running a race aimed at getting 27:10, not aimed to beat a number of other runners over the last 800. Nice prospects from American 5000, 10,000 with four under 13 and 27 possible.

Lets Run once again misses the mark. To much ass kissing Rupp vs knowing what the pulse of what really going on. If this site is to be informational and the pulse of the sport. Get out and find out whats happening with incite vs jock sniffing reporting. Try challenging the press releases vs passing them around for the Lets Run circle jerk !

So does anyone think he's a threat in a slow international 10k?

oh yes wrote: Rupp is just gearing up again, and isn't likely to rabbit Solinsky through a second race.

I doubt Solinsky will run another 10,000 for a while. But if last night was an indication, if they are ever in the same field again, Rupp will have no choice but to try to win from the from the front because no way will he ever out kick Solinsky over the last 800.

Not that lucky wrote:

Just in case it went over your head the reference of lucKY2b was to your comments on the Bill Rodgers thread. Sorry if that was already obvious to you. Sometimes it is hard for those of average intelligence to tell what you get and what you just don't get.

Cheers

No, he got it. We just have a difference of opinion regarding the relative contributions of genetics, training, and sports psychology to american distance running. Unless quantifiable (if even possible), it'll remain just that; a difference of opinion.

I'd be surprised if ANY runner broke any national record in their debut at that event.

Disconnected from the pulse ? wrote:

Lets Run once again misses the mark. To much ass kissing Rupp vs knowing what the pulse of what really going on. If this site is to be informational and the pulse of the sport. Get out and find out whats happening with incite vs jock sniffing reporting. Try challenging the press releases vs passing them around for the Lets Run circle jerk !

Knowing the pulse? What kind of bullshit is that? Not even Solinsky himself had any idea that anything like that was going to happen.

I'll admit I didn't even know he was in the race but shocked....nope.

Think about it...remember back when KK beat Geb and PT running a world record which at the time was a MID 2:05?

Now every major race has a 2:05...so it takes maybe a sub 2:05 or 26.30 to be a surprise because sub 27 is just a measuring stick...Maybe some HS kids (Kenya and Ethopia) breaking 27 or 15yr ago sub 27 was like top 3 in the world.

But good run nonetheless...PLEASE don't rest thinking your the best CS...your color THEN your human interest story/American in the race THEN your sub 27 will get you into alot of races to mix it up with the 10-15 east Africans who have already broke it. So keep striving to get better!

oh no wrote:

And, like if Rupp is thinking that, you'd be fooling yourself.

Solinsky's stride was beautifully under control as Rupp *sprinted* down the backstretch with just over 600m to go trying to close the gap.

You are fooling yourself if:

A) You think Solinsky could have led that race the way Rupp did

B) You think Rupp couldn't have burried the last 900 if he had the luxury of Solinsky pacing like Rupp did and Rupp could just sit in and wait.

If you don't understand that, you really don't understand the sport.

I'm definitely shocked, especially since Solinsky tweeted it "should be a nice glorified tempo run that will be great hard effort for my 5k's coming up."

Good for him.

And Cragg another DNF? Is his career over?

adfaa wrote:

I'd be surprised if ANY runner broke any national record in their debut at that event.

this

complete amazement.

This is all very cool.

Another AR falls to someone never expected to be close. Ritz goes 12:56 even though "he has no speed to break 13," and now Solinsky who's "too big to even run 27:30" breaks 27 before any of his fellow Americans. Really cool.

I find this role reversal interesting. In Indoor Rupp beat Solinsky in the USATF 3K and many have thought that to be Solinsky's best event (his 1st NCAA title, he's run 7:36, beaten Teg and Kipchoge at that distance, etc.). Now he turns around and beats Rupp at HIS assumed best distance.

To the earlier poster - yes with Ritz running 12:56, Teg 12:58, Rupp competing so well, young guys like Jager and Derrick stepping up - Solinsky has been overlooked. Good to see he's fit and has an AR!

Now most of the current top Americans have national records - Lagat, Ritz, Solinsky, Webb, Teg, Hall. Rupp HAD the indoor 5K.

jjjjjjjjjj wrote:

There have been so many other phenoms that we forgot a bit just how good Solinsky was in high school and college.

from wiki:

"His winning time of 14:41 at the 2002 Foot Locker National Cross Country Championships gave him a 41-second winning margin, tied for the largest margin in history. He finished his HS career with personal records of 4:03.80 (1600m) and 8:43.24 (3200m)....

(At Wisconsin) As an individual, Solinsky earned ... five individual national titles (2005 & 2006 indoor 3000m, 2007 indoor 5000m, 2006 & 2007 outdoor 5000m)."

His 7:36.9 3k was worth 13:03/27:19 by IAAF tables.

Maybe weight loss was the difference here.

This is actually a great post. Best on the thread thus far.

I'm shocked at both the 5k and 10k record going down by solinsky and ritz. Whats next Nick Symmonds taking down the 1500 or mile records this year.

Not that lucky wrote:

...the reference of lucKY2b was to your comments on the Bill Rodgers thread. Sorry if that was already obvious to you. Sometimes it is hard for those of average intelligence to tell what you get and what you just don't get.

Cheers

I knew what he was trying to do. This thread is about how awesome Chris Solinksy ran. I'm keeping it there.

I WOULD agree if this post were made before Solinsky ran the race. Hindsight is 20/20. It's easy to look back after the fact and say it was all written. I'm not ripping on multiple "j"s here, because he's not saying he knew it all along, and it's a nice reminder of how great Solinksy has been, but even with all that multiple j wrote, no one predicted Solinsky would run sub 27:00, so I can't agree with your quality assessment.I'm as shocked about this one as I was about Ryan Hall's AR in the half marathon (remembering of course that that's the race when Hall really became world class). I wasn't shocked about Ritz's AR in the 5,000 of course, and I bring that up only to compare the three performances...Hall, Ritz, Solinsky...I think all are of about equal greatness. Probably need to put Webb's mile AR in there too.Nice time to be an American distance running fan.

Sagarin wrote:

jjjjjjjjjj wrote:

There have been so many other phenoms that we forgot a bit just how good Solinsky was in high school and college.

from wiki:

"His winning time of 14:41 at the 2002 Foot Locker National Cross Country Championships gave him a 41-second winning margin, tied for the largest margin in history. He finished his HS career with personal records of 4:03.80 (1600m) and 8:43.24 (3200m)....

(At Wisconsin) As an individual, Solinsky earned ... five individual national titles (2005 & 2006 indoor 3000m, 2007 indoor 5000m, 2006 & 2007 outdoor 5000m)."

His 7:36.9 3k was worth 13:03/27:19 by IAAF tables.

Maybe weight loss was the difference here.

This is actually a great post. Best on the thread thus far.

I was shocked. I didn't know he was in the race. I didn't watch it live because I was at a track meet, but thought Rupp might get the AR. Since I expected a time trial, I didn't mind watching a replay. But then I hear Solinsky broke the record and I was thinking "huh? Since when did he run the 10k? Did Rupp even run?" Anyway, I was shocked in a good way. Impressive run by Rupp too as he did achieve his goal of breaking the AR too, just not as well as Solinsky. I'm excited to see how this performance will affect American distance running. Can Solinsky run faster? How about Rupp and a healthy Ritz? If only Teg ran the 10k...

Flagpole wrote:

I knew what he was trying to do. This thread is about how awesome Chris Solinksy ran. I'm keeping it there.

And I am too. Great gene's to be sure. Right MENTAL ATTITUDE (loose), but a mental WILL TO WIN the race, coupled with taking a step back and working hard on his TRAINING, with financial support/excellent coaching/environment/facilities, culminated in something special.

It will be interesting to see how this all translates to the international scene.