So you're saying the course is short ?
So you're saying the course is short ?
nepoks wrote:
Captain in college, ran 14:20's could bench press 235lbs once, NFL reps at 220lbs 3-4 times. Weighed about 130-135lbs.
I don't think he implied the 1420 captain kid competed in the pump and run, hes just saying its unprecedented for some fast kids to have upper body strength.
that was in reply to the above poster thinking the course was short.
*not unprecedented for some fast kids to have upper body strength.
check running with the buffalos for more proof (a certain notably fast runner with upper body strength was chronicled.)
Seen lots of guys who could bench a high weight yet not be able to do a low weight 30 times. Just because some strong guy can bench 250-300 means nothing when going for reps.
Those peole are the ones who get 12-15 when the event rolls around.
I think many people on this site underestimate how hard it is to bench press your weight thirty times.
Three sets of fiften DOES NOT equal one set of thirty
One hundred push ups DOES NOT equal thirty reps of body weight
A max of 225 DOES NOT equal a set of thirty at 135
I'm hearing a lot of shoulda, woulda, coulda. Until someone does better, and can prove it, then Mr. O'Brien's result stands as the best to date.
I agree. I'm literally the strongest runner that I know, and I can't get to the 30 reps even after training. And about the 30 reps vs max, I would guess that it's a lot harder to get a lower weight at 130 than to max a lot. With minimal training, I got up to 250 max, but with months of training I haven't been able to put up 145lbs 30 times.
The course used to be short several years ago but is now spot on.
The formula for winning this thing is to be a decent (but not great) runner with above average strength - hit the weight room for a couple years, maintain aerobic fitness, and don't get too bulky.
I maintain that thirty reps is exceptional for a guy who can run well. I don't believe that most sub 14:30 college runners have the power to do this.
The argument "I can benchpress 235 pounds once and therefore can benchpress 135 30 times" is like saying "I can do a 50 second quarter therefore I can run a 10k at 70 second pace". It doesn't work like that.
I'm in agreement with those that say benching your weight is much more difficult than most think.
I'd be surprised if many sub 16 guys could properly bench (that is lowering bar all the way to the chest without bouncing) their weight 10 times. Very few can do 20 times, and virtually none could do it 30 times. Thirty times, even for someone who is inclined to weightlift as part of their primary means of exercise is more difficult than most can imagine. As someone stated before, bencing isn't really indicative of strength. It really is a conditioned move. Just as an elyptical won't equate to great running times, pushups won't do much for bench.
To the person who said NFL players only do 220lbs 2-4 times???? That's not even close to correct. Look at NFL combine numbers. The weight is set at 225 and most go well over 20 reps.
I see a lot of talk about people running fast, weighing 135, and benching 225. However, I lift fairly regularly, and it is RARE to see that sort of thing. Plenty of people can bench 225, but hardly any of them could run a 5k in under 20.
I am 190, run 5k in 15:35, and can bench my weight MAYBE twice. Although I am assuming a lot of runners are lighter than me, I am still impressed if they are putting up their weight 30 times.
on a side note
nov 1st - is this when registration opens next for next years arnold 5k pump and run? and does it really close after a couple hours?
I agree with most of what you said.But most (probably nearly all) people who bench 30 times do have great overall upper body strength.(really no matter how you measure it). I realize the bench is one single characteristic of upper body strength, but it would be very difficult and timely to come up with a lengthy means of determining upper body strength for the competition. just out of curiosity, do you propose another method for the 'strength' portion of the competition?
hrdrthnuthnk wrote:
I'm in agreement with those that say benching your weight is much more difficult than most think.
I'd be surprised if many sub 16 guys could properly bench (that is lowering bar all the way to the chest without bouncing) their weight 10 times. Very few can do 20 times, and virtually none could do it 30 times. Thirty times, even for someone who is inclined to weightlift as part of their primary means of exercise is more difficult than most can imagine. As someone stated before, bencing isn't really indicative of strength. It really is a conditioned move. Just as an elyptical won't equate to great running times, pushups won't do much for bench.
To the person who said NFL players only do 220lbs 2-4 times???? That's not even close to correct. Look at NFL combine numbers. The weight is set at 225 and most go well over 20 reps.
When I was a 16:00 or so 5k runner I could bench my weight once or twice. Now that I'm more of a weightlifter than a runner I can max out 245, close to 1.5x my current bodyweight. Rough estimate of 12-15 reps for my bodyweight.
My guess is that the winner is like 5'2, 115-120lbs and has been benching for a LONG time. You can get very strong without gaining any size. If you look at O-lifters and powerlifters the littlest guys have the greatest strength to size ratio.
So yes, that guy is damn strong as it relates to his bodyweight but in absolute terms he's likely not that strong at all.
Alan
Agreed.
somehow weight should be factored into this. a 225 lb/30 reps/16:16 5k is more impressive than 115 lbs/30 reps/16:15 5k. or at least they should list the weight of the athletes.
dudes 48, benching his body weight 30 times (unless they curve it based on age) and still throws down sub 6 min pace for 5k. most impressive result in my opinion. thats gotta be the age group record. is there anyone that keeps track of pump and run records? whats the open record?
7 8 STAN NICOL MARION, OH 48 18:21 30 03:21
The guy that won looked like he was about 145-150.
thats a pic of the lead 2 guys
He looked to be 5'8'', weighed in at 150lbs.
Runningart2004 wrote:
So yes, that guy is damn strong as it relates to his bodyweight but in absolute terms he's likely not that strong at all.
Alan
What is your cutoff for absolutely strong? We need numbers here, man, numbers
What pro's would be good at this? I bet the ripped Alan Webb could bench his weight... and we know he can put up a good 5K time